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  • A summer of KHV in the UK ?

    hi all

    i have recently become aware of 4 un related confirmed KHV out breaks in england 1 at a dealers and 3 in unrelated hobbiest ponds.

    is this above average ? has the earth quake in japan and the need to share mud ponds and in door pools lead to a lowering of the guard ?

    are we in for a summer of problems , would / should all private koi keepers own up to their koi keeping neighbours if they are caught up with KHV ?



    steve
    Clarity of vision is a sign of wisdom
  • #2

    How sad. It does no good to panic, but this is a reminder that complacency is dangerous.

    There has been quite a bit of talk on koi boards about KHV becoming rampant in the wake of the quakes. The fear being that koi sharing ponds with magoi food carp would become infected and spread the disease. However, that would result in widespread outbreaks involving farms across Japan as well as hobbyist ponds wherever koi are imported. We are now well into prime KHV season and no widespread outbreaks are reported. I am hopeful the doomsday scenario will not play out.

    As to the outbreaks you mention, I hope all exposed koi have been destroyed and the ponds/systems completely sterilized. If not, I think British koikeepers have more to fear from their neighbors than Japanese imports.

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    • #3

      hi mike

      not all have been culled , one wants to continue with the survivors and at this point has only informed a few friends . they recenty bought ( last yr ) several new koi and some finished koi from private collections to balance this they sold 8 koi this yr privatly. these buyers have not yet been imformed.

      there has been talk around the boards relating to a consolodator in japan who recently shipped KHV koi to china and S. africa. ?

      steve
      Clarity of vision is a sign of wisdom

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      • #4

        What!! It is completely irresponsible of these people to not tell everyone who received fish from them. Those folks may or may not have a problem, but should be warned so they do not spread it further by giving away fish or lending their equipment to others. I also consider it wrong-headed to save the survivors. We now know that survivors harbor the virus and can infect any other fish that come in contact with them. These misguided folks will end up doinf a favor for someone, and inadvertantly spread the disease. If they are going to house survivors, they should post their entire property as a KHV hot zone so nobody enters unaware. ....This is how the hobby will be devastated.

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        • #5

          hi mike ,

          my point exactly, all the new koi were added prior to the others being sold so they all shared space for a few months.

          they are reluctent to cull or advise the new owners due to advise recieved from a respected koi health consultant.

          the advise given was that KHV is not passed between koi unless there is a current out break and carriers and non carriers can live ok until events ( stress / temp etc ) trigger an out break. they also believe that their survivors are now imune and will not catch again but are carriers.

          as I asked above are we all playing with our cards on the table ?


          steve
          Clarity of vision is a sign of wisdom

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          • #6

            Survivors of such an outbreak are called carriers. which means they will infect other koi. all must be destroyed and everything disinfected.

            I can name the UK dealer and also the distributor from Japan who supplied him.
            But it doesn't settle anything other to acess blame.No one deliberately sets out to ruin another's past time or their business.

            here's the straight skinny. Buy from dealers who have q tanked the koi. Q tank the koi yourself. this means a period of time ( 7-10 days of temps over 76 F )
            to force any KHV present. I wash my hands constantly and disinfect nets and shoes/boots. Clothing is clean everyday.


            When koi are stressed from crowding, earthquakes etc the chances are increased for exposure and suseptibility. Benching crews for shows have the added responcibility not to infect other koi thru cross contamination. No convenient nets dripping into the neigbor's container. those who measure need to disinfect their hands and change gloves. Measuring tubs where we used to just change the plastic liners need to be disinfected with each load of koi. This will not go away or be taken lightly for many years.

            please no chicken little's that announce the sky is falling an quit buying koi and showing koi. this will only weaken the industry. Everyone needs to be responsible to know what to do to avoid KHV. It will take more time and be more costly. Lots of things are going that way in life.
            Dick Benbow

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            • #7

              Human nature ( cheapness, greed and stupidity) are the cause of KHV spread.

              It needs to be made reportable, worldwide, and mop the floor when its found.
              People are too greedy and ignorant to handle the situation in a proper manner, themselves.

              Look at AIDS ? Pooor so and so... I agreed.... in 1988..
              Now ? Yeah right ! B00Bzzz !

              "I cant affawd a quarantine tank and heater"

              Find another hobby. Like collecting stamps ( used, of course)

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              • #8

                Doug, you always have a way of cutting thru the rhetoric and telling it like you see it. I think you'd make a great sports announcer on national TV!
                Dick Benbow

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                • #9

                  But Dick !
                  I'd be carried off !
                  Remember Howard Cosell and his OJ statement, back in the mid seventies ?
                  LOL

                  BTW.. Cosell was one of my favorites.
                  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...5/95pass13.htm

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                  • #10

                    hi dick / mike

                    are we sure that Q/T at 22c + will always draw it out , some say that temp is essential but only part of the equation , you still need a trigger ie stress or poor water quality etc all things we try to aviod in QT also the introduction of other koi can be a trigger after a successful QT.

                    ref here :- paula reynolds artical in the health section

                    http://www.bkks.co.uk/

                    and whilst ever koi keepers harbour KHV and won't cull or own up then it will surly spread.

                    as for the shipper and retail out let he is local to me and often holds auction of koi on a saturday when koi were rec'd on the thursday saying the QT was done prior to shipping ?


                    still very unhappy with the info i have

                    steve
                    Clarity of vision is a sign of wisdom

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                    • #11

                      Originally posted by drgas
                      hi dick / mike

                      are we sure that Q/T at 22c + will always draw it out , some say that temp is essential but only part of the equation , you still need a trigger ie stress or poor water quality etc all things we try to aviod in QT also the introduction of other koi can be a trigger after a successful QT.

                      ref here :- paula reynolds artical in the health section

                      http://www.bkks.co.uk/

                      and whilst ever koi keepers harbour KHV and won't cull or own up then it will surly spread.

                      as for the shipper and retail out let he is local to me and often holds auction of koi on a saturday when koi were rec'd on the thursday saying the QT was done prior to shipping ?


                      still very unhappy with the info i have

                      steve
                      Your dirstibutor is a moron. Lose his number.
                      KHV will " break" at 70 plus degrees in a few days....
                      Happy auctioning.............

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                      • #12

                        Originally posted by dick benbow
                        . Benching crews for shows have the added responcibility not to infect other koi thru cross contamination. No convenient nets dripping into the neigbor's container. those who measure need to disinfect their hands and change gloves. Measuring tubs where we used to just change the plastic liners need to be disinfected with each load of koi.
                        Dick-we are putting together a new infection control protocol for the Seattle show. We already have net holders that keep the owner's nets upright next to their own tanks that a wonderful club member built for us. We have separate bowls for each tank, as well. We are retiring our old tank cleaning regimen for a bleach solution and rinse before and after the show, now that some cleaning regimens have been found (in the lab) to be inadequate. Security will be charged (as will numerous club members) to keep the public from putting their hands into the tanks.

                        According to Vicki Burnley-Vaughn, fish pathologist at U of Georgia, KHV infection is MUCH more common in the US than we believe it to be (she does the diagnosis for that part of the country), so adequate quarantine and universal precautions are going to need to become a way of life in this hobby.
                        ChrisC

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                        • #13

                          Am I positive about heat only? Nope, but following Paula I have had some issues with things stated in the past. one thing is for sure, we are the bottom line of defense to beat this thing entering our pond. It is really important to put the fish thru our Q tank. Never trust someone else. ( no disrepect ). if you do it yourself to the best of your knowledge you know it was done.

                          I'll be anxious to hear what other's have to say about a possible trigger besides heat. Anyone got a KHA friend that might post what they've learned. I believe their courses were prepared by Duncan who's new book is due out shortly!
                          Dick Benbow

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                          • #14

                            Vickie ?
                            FFW............
                            Sorry, case closed.
                            Any input frm B00B ? Erik ?

                            Duncan ? I have the check waiting.................

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                            • #15

                              Chris,

                              What is the new cleaning regimin? Who recommended it over the bleach of tanks b4 and after?
                              Best regards,

                              Bob Winkler

                              My opinions are my best interpretation of my experiences. They are not set in stone as I intend to always be a student of life. And Koi.

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