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  • Big Pond or Big waste of time and money?

    Just wanted to get peoples opinions on this...Well since I know people always want to build the biggest pond they can, but how big is big? Some say 10,000gals is fine, but the advertising that Keirin Koi in one of the magazines has a hobbyist building a 50,000gal pond.

    Now what purpose would you have a pond of this size for? 50,000gals is alot, and to stock what in it? To me 9,000 to 10,000gals is fine.
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    Depends on your goals, what you want it to look like, and your pocketbook. If one goal is to have thirty, 30" females in great shape and to improve them, well then, I don't think that 10,000 (gallons or $) will do it.
    Best regards,

    Bob Winkler

    My opinions are my best interpretation of my experiences. They are not set in stone as I intend to always be a student of life. And Koi.

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    • #3

      Originally posted by Bob Winkler
      Depends on your goals, what you want it to look like, and your pocketbook. If one goal is to have thirty, 30" females in great shape and to improve them, well then, I don't think that 10,000 will do it.
      Excellent point. Pocket book has much to do with it. Many try to go big on the cheap and end up with serious issues.

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      • #4

        Someon e in my town has a 55X25 pond, with depth upto 10 ft. No filter needed.

        My gardener tried to expand his pond from 3000g to 6000g. per calculation error, measuring error and digging error, he ended up with a 18000g pond, he wife has been trying to kill him since. he does not have any high end kois. His highest end kois were Sakai Hiroshima sankes I gave him, with sign of hikui. He has a herb that keeps dropping leaves into the pond, and he said the hikui is now healed.

        stan

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        • #5

          LOL Stan!

          Get me some of those herbs!
          Best regards,

          Bob Winkler

          My opinions are my best interpretation of my experiences. They are not set in stone as I intend to always be a student of life. And Koi.

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          • #6

            Mr, Tan, and what kinda tree is it? and have you seen your sakai fish?

            Lets go check it out soon.... and maybe we can... ahem pick some Herbs

            Joe
            It's a living creature (chit happens)

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            • #7

              I have one of those tree in my back yard. Justt don't want to dump the herbs into the pond. besides, my herb is still small. I am waiting to visit his kois. If that works, I will put a ton of fertelizer to push up my herb.

              stan

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              • #8

                Tony: It really is a question of what a person wants. Bigger is not necessarily better. With a 50,000 gal. pond, a person will not get a cozy feeling when sitting beside it. Catching a fish would be a major endeavor. So, it may not be for raising a dozen little ones you plan to weed out over 3 months. Like the idea of seeing all your fish at a glance when you walk by? ...never having to search to see if the one you don't see is acting peculiar? The bigger the pond, the less convenient a lot of things.

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                • #9

                  Ever feel like you are being talked about?

                  (Brian if this is troublesome to you I am sorry. I would have posted a pic of it here but am an idiot when dealing with most websites)

                  Here are the directions for a 46,000 gallon pond I have been building for 4+ years. I dug every shovelful out by hand. i collected 1400 of the 1500 cement blocks and all the rebar from construction sites. I had figured I would spend $3000, but then I was thinking in terms of a 10,000 gallon pond...well I decided to make it as big as I could as long as I didn't break the law, kill the big trees, or upset the wife (and since I increased the size I have increased the budget. I have right at 12,000USD in the structure at this time.)

                  The thread is located at:
                  "Themudpond.com"
                  Under the "pond construction" section
                  The threads are titled "Lake Luke" and "Why 46,000 gallons?"

                  I am at opposite ends with MikeMc on having a "cozy" feeling with my koi. I think koi should have room to roam, and the best veiwing of them is when they cruise by every 5 minutes or so...then again, if I stand on the Island I can be within 20 feet of all the koi in the pond.

                  Once again, brian I hope I ain't upsetting you by Posting about another Website. that site is not a commercial one and is very different from this board.

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                  • #10

                    Now what YOU would stock in that pond and what I will are 2 different things. I plan on 20 big koi..and some educational specimens.

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                    • #11

                      If you had the room and the bucks for 50,000, then you might want to consider two 20,000 (male and female) and two 5,000 for tosai and quarantine. More versatile.

                      -steve

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                      • #12

                        bekko,

                        ahhh NOPE?!

                        cuz the walls are more expensice than the foundation...and the amount of maintenance practically doubles when the number of ponds double. and the filtration and pump units cost a bit more but not near TWICE...or four or five times in your use of the space.
                        Plus I am going to stock it so low that if the filters can't be run for a few days after a hurricane (like the three we had last year) the fish won't die. (then again a friend wants me to allow him to put in a huge natural gas generator.....?)
                        I already have a little 3500gallon QT (males), and a couple of 10ftx 10ftx 6ft floating net cages that they use in marine aquaculture ( I plan on trying them out as holding tanks for koi going to shows.).
                        And besides I want the dang thing to LOOK like a garden Pond, not some backyard breeder's Koi cookers.

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                        • #13

                          bekko,
                          three years a go I had a long conversation with brett Rowley about what i should build, At the time I was leaning to two ponds of about 15,000 gallons (approx. 10x20x6), parallel, seperated by a ten foot section of grass.
                          But that evolved into this.

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                          • #14

                            Been a fun thread to watch!

                            Here's my take on the bigger ponds. They're easier to maintain. If we were graphting a chart that showed different water parameters, the ups and downs would be less dramatic hills and valleys. This translates into happier koi.

                            The downside of course is the expense to build as well as maintain. Keeping a 1000 gallons per koi is a fine rule of thumb to give maximum opportunity for the koi to develop properly.

                            I, like steve; have my thoughts on having just one big pond. I hope you will have a several thousand QT tank at least. One because you need to take responsibility to insure your pond's safety and second if you keep some tosai in their to grow ( to keep the filters going ) you'll be able to have the joy of watching the little guys change. Over the last decade i have concentrated on
                            bigger koi, and i have missed that part of the hobby.

                            let us know what you decide. (try and pretend there is no Murphy's law ) I forget what they call in the UK (sodd's or something like that ) but bottom line is that your experience changes reason and not all reason is the same during a lifetime! (LOL)
                            Dick Benbow

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                            • #15

                              Pond Size

                              Over the past ten years, I have relocated twice with job transfers. My last pond dig was about 20K gallons. I wanted to have plenty of room for my group to roam and cruise. I have about 24 koi and the stocking level is about where I want it. Frankly, it is too big and if I had to do it again, I would have about 10K gallons. Easier to round them up for a show! It is difficult even with a seine net to get the smaller sized gals up and in the transport tank.

                              David

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