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  • So many koi foods! Which one?

    I was wondering if you guys that have used many different types
    of koi food could rate these for use for summer growing? Or just
    a general description of best use. Also if you have any tips on
    supplemental feeding you could add that would be great as well.
    Thanks!

    Hi Silk
    Ogata Special
    Tetra
    Yamakoshi
    Chengro
    Hikari
    Hai Feng
    Nobori
    Yokozuna
    Sho Koi
    Dainichi
    Mazuri
    Momotaro (even though its not available here in the USA)
    Koi-Unit

    ZNA Potomac Koi Club
  • #2

    Originally posted by jnorth
    I was wondering if you guys that have used many different types
    of koi food could rate these for use for summer growing? Or just
    a general description of best use. Also if you have any tips on
    supplemental feeding you could add that would be great as well.
    Thanks!

    Hi Silk
    Ogata Special
    Tetra
    Yamakoshi
    Chengro
    Hikari
    Hai Feng
    Nobori
    Yokozuna
    Sho Koi
    Dainichi
    Mazuri
    Momotaro (even though its not available here in the USA)
    The best for growing hands down is Hi-Silk, I'll leave the Momotaro feed to our European and Asian board members...But since we don't Momotaro food, Hi Silk is the best if your looking to grow fish. I rank Hi-Silk number #1 in the states. Chengro, Yamakoshi and Mazuri haven't used it and probably never will.
    The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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    • #3

      Hi, from my own experience the ones with good results: hisilk, saki hikari higrow, momotarou and hikari excel.

      Bad results: nozomi.

      Never try other brands than the above mentioned. Currently i m using the saki hikari higrow and hisilk combo.

      As supplement, i have tried silkworm pupae and my kois liked munching 'em real good. However, down side is messy in term noticable 'shit' produced and remains of the pupae skins floating on the surface. Thats why i switch to hisilk as replacement.

      I would like to try ogata wheatgerm as soon as i runout of hisilk. Purpose is to give koi moderation in their diets, has anyone used ogata wheatgerm before ? How it is compared to hikari wheatgerm ?

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      • #4

        Originally posted by paulino88
        I would like to try ogata wheatgerm as soon as i runout of hisilk. Purpose is to give koi moderation in their diets, has anyone used ogata wheatgerm before ? How it is compared to hikari wheatgerm ?
        If I had my choice of wheatgrem I would use Ogata. Had great results with Ogata last year and it contains ingredients I am looking for to maintain the fish.
        The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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        • #5

          Originally posted by aquitori
          If I had my choice of wheatgrem I would use Ogata. Had great results with Ogata last year and it contains ingredients I am looking for to maintain the fish.
          I am thinking Ogata wheatgerm is also less expensive.. Not a bad price for High quality food and its made in Japan....
          It's a living creature (chit happens)

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          • #6

            Originally posted by aquitori
            If I had my choice of wheatgrem I would use Ogata. Had great results with Ogata last year and it contains ingredients I am looking for to maintain the fish.
            Hi Aq, could you explore a bit more on the 'ingredients I am looking to maintain the fish' part. Thanks.

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            • #7

              Originally posted by keokoi
              I am thinking Ogata wheatgerm is also less expensive.. Not a bad price for High quality food and its made in Japan....
              Keo, fyi hikari and ogata wheatgerm here (Indonesia) cost around $25 and $35 respectively. Both quoted price per 5kg bag. Hmmnn anyone care to share conspiracy theory on hikari products distribution in the US

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              • #8

                Originally posted by paulino88
                Hi Aq, could you explore a bit more on the 'ingredients I am looking to maintain the fish' part. Thanks.
                Ogata contains chitin and garlic. These ingredients help maintain the liver and helps the skin stay healthy.
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                • #9

                  First, I would not want to rely on any one pellet as a complete food.

                  Second, the age of the food may be more important than the brand or detail of the content. You might rank these according to your own criteria, but the first in your ranking may be worse than the last if the last was made a week ago and the "first" has been on a shelf in one hot warehouse after another since May, 2004. As a result, high priced specialty foods that do not sell quickly need to be selected with some care. High volume foods that move off the shelves quickly may [emhasize: "maybe"] be very fresh. It is quite a challenge when dates of production are not available. You end up having to place faith in the source. If you see the source cutting corners on things, you are likely right to assume that they cut corners on pellets. And, no matter what you get, do not store it in a hot garage. The vitamin content, and benefits of everything you researched so carefully to obtain, are quickly degraded.
                  I have tried several on your list, but am not familiar with Chengro or Yamakoshi. I would not use Mazuri. I think if you check the label you will find Mazuri is high in corn content, not a preferred ingredient. Sho-Koi is subject to a lot of debate because a major source of its protein is feathermeal. It is thought that animal protein should be from fish and crustacean sources, not mammal or bird sources. However, I have used it as one of several pellets in a mix. The fish liked it and they grew well. It has one of the mushroom extracts that seem to enhance immune response according to some studies. I have not used it for some time simply because I've been using other foods.

                  One not on your list is the relatively inexpensive Azoo growth formula, which contains beta glucan, another immune system catalyst. It has begun to print ingredients in English, and they compare well to higher priced brands. I think it is a good basic pellet around which others can be assembled. I do not have it at the moment, but likely will be using it again at some point.

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                  • #10

                    Originally posted by paulino88
                    Keo, fyi hikari and ogata wheatgerm here (Indonesia) cost around $25 and $35 respectively. Both quoted price per 5kg bag. Hmmnn anyone care to share conspiracy theory on hikari products distribution in the US

                    WOW! its like triple the price here.. Ogata wheat Germ it is then. Joe
                    It's a living creature (chit happens)

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                    • #11

                      It's true what MikeM is saying when it comes too food, a good blended food mix is the best. There isn't such a thing a a super pellet that will change your fish over night. But to me I would stick to the Japanese products even if they are triple the cost of American products.
                      The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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                      • #12

                        Originally posted by aquitori
                        But to me I would stick to the Japanese products even if they are triple the cost of American products.
                        And why is that?

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                        • #13

                          Originally posted by Tim C
                          And why is that?
                          Proven products and great track record....I know since I have been in the hobby which foods I prefer. Here's a list of what I use in a Season.

                          Growing Season:
                          1.Hi-Silk(Japan)
                          2.Hikari Hi-Growth(Japan)
                          Year Round:
                          3.Hikari Wheatgrem(Japan)
                          4.Ogata Wheatgrem(Japan)
                          5.Manda(Japan)
                          6.Hai-Feng Wheatgrem(yes Taiwan)
                          7.Sweet Potato Paste

                          The cheapest food I have use is Hai-Feng and I still use it til this day. understand what each product does by itself I have to mix it. Right now I mix my Ogata Wheatgrem with Hikari Wheatgrem. Since the weather is still in the low 70's I haven't went to my growing season food yet. But I have it ready, when the weather is consistant.

                          Japanese products are expensive but well worth the money. But for now I know what my seasonal budget is for food if I stick to the above list.
                          The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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                          • #14

                            Originally posted by aquitori
                            Proven products and great track record....I know since I have been in the hobby which foods I prefer. Here's a list of what I use in a Season.

                            Growing Season:
                            1.Hi-Silk(Japan)
                            2.Hikari Hi-Growth(Japan)
                            Year Round:
                            3.Hikari Wheatgrem(Japan)
                            4.Ogata Wheatgrem(Japan)
                            5.Manda(Japan)
                            6.Hai-Feng Wheatgrem(yes Taiwan)
                            7.Sweet Potato Paste

                            The cheapest food I have use is Hai-Feng and I still use it til this day. understand what each product does by itself I have to mix it. Right now I mix my Ogata Wheatgrem with Hikari Wheatgrem. Since the weather is still in the low 70's I haven't went to my growing season food yet. But I have it ready, when the weather is consistant.

                            Japanese products are expensive but well worth the money. But for now I know what my seasonal budget is for food if I stick to the above list.
                            Thanks! Thats the kind of info I was looking for. Can you expand on what each type does for you (actually your koi ) and explain what the sweet potato paste is? If you don't want to because its a "secret" growth formula then I understand . I've seen the growth on your male koi and if the above foods are what you used to grow it with then for sure I will be looking at those myself.
                            Koi-Unit

                            ZNA Potomac Koi Club

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                            • #15

                              Hi Silk for me as well best food for sure for growth.

                              Izeki Paste during growth and partial fall. The food is fun to feed and you get to mix your favorite secret foods to it and this stuff lasts a long time.

                              Hikari wheat germ easy to find readily available. gonna have to try the Ogata as well.

                              These are pretty much the brands I use for production line foods. Izeki being the hardest to find and most expensive.

                              I never have used American foods as well and would not feed my koi any of them. All the serious hobbyists I have talked to use mostly the Japanese foods as well and or home made paste foods.

                              Joe
                              It's a living creature (chit happens)

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