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    Pictured is a Sakai Hiroshima Shiro, it was purchased by me. Shiro's head is very dark, I just wanted to see how much clearing the head will do as it grows. I know realisticly the head has a 99.9% chance of clearing but what hell, price was cheap to study bloodline.
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    For such a young fish isn't the sumi very dark?

    I've read that for some breeders, the sumi develops, receeds and then re-emerges. Is that what Sakai Hiroshima shiro are known to do?

    -Dan

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    • #3

      Originally posted by dcny
      For such a young fish isn't the sumi very dark?

      I've read that for some breeders, the sumi develops, receeds and then re-emerges. Is that what Sakai Hiroshima shiro are known to do?

      -Dan
      Omosako shiros are known for that...But from reading some of the articles in Bito on Omosako, their shiro lines are based on the Sakai Hiroshima shiro...I just wanted to see if the head will clear up.....If not it is goin to Akinosan's pond hahahahahaha...
      The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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      • #4

        Fraternal twins?

        That sure looks alot like my little 5" shiro did when I picked him out. He started our w/ very dark sumi and head as well. Now he is a yellow-headed ugly fiend (see where question about yellowing effects of color-enhancing foods may have come from now? ) Have had him for about a month now - got him from Southwest Koi & Goldfish during Louisville show. I sure hope that the black comes, goes, and comes back and his head clears out . 2nd set of pix at night with a flash so he looks hideous. He looks a little different every day right now. Is this typical?
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        • #5

          Originally posted by mulberryjen
          That sure looks alot like my little 5" shiro did when I picked him out. He started our w/ very dark sumi and head as well. Now he is a yellow-headed ugly fiend (see where question about yellowing effects of color-enhancing foods may have come from now? ) Have had him for about a month now - got him from Southwest Koi & Goldfish during Louisville show. I sure hope that the black comes, goes, and comes back and his head clears out . 2nd set of pix at night with a flash so he looks hideous. He looks a little different every day right now. Is this typical?
          Looks to be Omosako Shiro...The yellowing looks consist on the fish, so it should clean up later again. Probably need to cut back on the color food in the mean time.
          The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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          • #6

            Definitely an ugly fish, Jen. But, don't give up on it. Needs a couple of years.

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            • #7

              Jen, Your fish is almost Ki-Utsuri But anyhow the yellow looks liek it through out the body. You can bring this back and may take ou through to next spring. Also what are you water temps. Temps play a role in the sumi disappearing as well. Another thought is how much have you been feeding?


              Joe
              It's a living creature (chit happens)

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              • #8

                Originally posted by aquitori
                Pictured is a Sakai Hiroshima Shiro, it was purchased by me. Shiro's head is very dark, I just wanted to see how much clearing the head will do as it grows. I know realisticly the head has a 99.9% chance of clearing but what hell, price was cheap to study bloodline.

                I think you werent feeling godo that day or had your shades on... AH AHAHAH! Anyhow Pecs will clean up and tighten up for sure. This little guy I have no doubt you can buidl the body up. The thing is with that said will the Sumi spread out into a balanced koi. I think so bu that dirty head really throws it off. I think if anyone can clean it up I think perhaps your the one up to the challenge. Makes me think that we need a mudpond in our area so we can study things like this..

                Joe
                It's a living creature (chit happens)

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                • #9

                  Originally posted by keokoi
                  Jen, Your fish is almost Ki-Utsuri But anyhow the yellow looks liek it through out the body. You can bring this back and may take ou through to next spring. Also what are you water temps. Temps play a role in the sumi disappearing as well. Another thought is how much have you been feeding?


                  Joe
                  Temp has been between 74-76 until the past couple of days: water was up 81 this afternoon. It's been nasty hot around here for about a week. Been feeding combo of Hai Feng quick grow and Hikari Gold, have Ogata wheat germ on order to cut it. Feeding 3 - 4x a day when home, otherwise 2x. Also, PH is usually high, between 8-9.0, unfortunately.

                  J

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                  • #10

                    Originally posted by aquitori
                    Pictured is a Sakai Hiroshima Shiro, it was purchased by me. Shiro's head is very dark, I just wanted to see how much clearing the head will do as it grows. I know realisticly the head has a 99.9% chance of clearing but what hell, price was cheap to study bloodline.
                    Never have Sakai Utsuri - But seems like it will be very heavy sumi utsuri to me
                    unless under good care by koi master like master Aquitori.

                    The tail is very think to me. Normally, I bypass all kois I love but have
                    think tail. Anyway, it is a good koi for your study.

                    --Dinh

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                    • #11

                      Originally posted by mulberryjen
                      That sure looks alot like my little 5" shiro did when I picked him out. He started our w/ very dark sumi and head as well. Now he is a yellow-headed ugly fiend (see where question about yellowing effects of color-enhancing foods may have come from now? ) Have had him for about a month now - got him from Southwest Koi & Goldfish during Louisville show. I sure hope that the black comes, goes, and comes back and his head clears out . 2nd set of pix at night with a flash so he looks hideous. He looks a little different every day right now. Is this typical?
                      I would trade my best baby Shiro Utsuri if I only see the first pix.
                      I can't imagine how this koi can be changed so much for only one
                      month in your pond? Perhaps, not only due to the color food, but
                      something to do with your water as well.

                      Like Antonio and other, they said that if the yellow looks consist on
                      the body, it should be clean later. However, it is no luck for me on
                      this.

                      --Dinh

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                      • #12

                        Color food may be partly responsible for yellowing b/c larger Sanke & Kohaku have a slight yellow/green tinge to the skin on their cheeks....but it is no where NEAR the way this guy looks. Sumi on larger Sanke & Showa brought into pond at the same time is quite dark and thick. Quite a bit of sumi has emerged on the Sanke, which is what I expected with my higher PH water. I actually thought my shiro would end up very dark at time of purchase. Maybe the black paint is washing off of him... If all of my fish looked this crappy, I would not even admit that I had an koi.

                        Maybe I need to send him to Aquitori for rehab......SA (spirulina anonymous)

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                        • #13

                          Originally posted by mulberryjen
                          Color food may be partly responsible for yellowing b/c larger Sanke & Kohaku have a slight yellow/green tinge to the skin on their cheeks....but it is no where NEAR the way this guy looks. Sumi on larger Sanke & Showa brought into pond at the same time is quite dark and thick. Quite a bit of sumi has emerged on the Sanke, which is what I expected with my higher PH water. I actually thought my shiro would end up very dark at time of purchase. Maybe the black paint is washing off of him... If all of my fish looked this crappy, I would not even admit that I had an koi.

                          Maybe I need to send him to Aquitori for rehab......SA (spirulina anonymous)
                          Jen, forgot to ask if your pond is in direct sunlight? How are the fish in cooler waters? Anyways, my pond is goin to full this summer conditioning other peoples fish, but at the "Koi-Unit Rehab Center" we take reservations....
                          The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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                          • #14

                            Originally posted by aquitori
                            Jen, forgot to ask if your pond is in direct sunlight? How are the fish in cooler waters? Anyways, my pond is goin to full this summer conditioning other peoples fish, but at the "Koi-Unit Rehab Center" we take reservations....
                            Pond is probably shaded 1/2 of day, more or less (see pic). The Showa, Sanke, & Shiro have only been here about a month, so don't know about cooler temp. for them. Kohaku only fish with white that I have had for a couple of years - yellow nose is recent since food switch (see pics) but that seems to be improving. Also see new Showa (Hosakai). He's very orange compared to my Kohaku.....can I build up his red w/o turning him yellow or is he just gonna be orange?
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                            • #15

                              Originally posted by aquitori
                              Anyways, my pond is goin to full this summer conditioning other peoples fish, but at the "Koi-Unit Rehab Center" we take reservations....
                              Why do I keep hearing, "Welcome to the Hotel California......." playing faintly through my laptop?

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