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    Well the cold snap is here and it is a good one. Zero yesterday, four this morning. This year I have a backup plan for gas exchange... An air pump. Normally this pump would be running into my kaldnes chamber but that is all put away for the winter. The recent cold has surprisingly stopped the flow from a two inch pipe flowing approx. 6,000 gal per hour. I took the water pump inside to geep it from freezing solid and cracking- not too difficult as it is an out of water pump. My air pump came out and I ran a line through the ice to bubble up and keep the gas exchange going. Hopefully I can get a thaw next week and run the waterpump again with a shortened run dropping back in near the end of my falls. I did this last year and still had to chip the ice daily from the pipe as it would freeze a solid tube around the fast moving water. anyone else facing similar cold troubles? Lee I know you won't have this happen!
    " I'd rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy "
  • #2

    ya gotta move SOUTH

    Mike,

    At least send the koi south for the winter!


    Can you put a floating stock tank heater in the pond? That should keep a 1 foot circle (more or less) free of ice.

    Heck, I though it was cold in Atlanta!!!!


    MCA
    Koi keeping is not a belief system; it is applied science with a touch of artistry.

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    • #3

      UGH! Too cold for me. Makes me curious though. What are your water temps?

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      • #4

        frozen

        top layer is a solid 32 and bottom is about 40. This is one of the reasons that your state"s population grows in the winter and shrinks in the summer. For now the fish just hang on the bottom waiting for spring to arrive and wake them. I know they don't sleep but they sure slow down. As for the trough heater Idea they use way too much electric. I have high efficiency pond pumps both air and water to keep cost down and I am not going to run a 1500 watt heater all winter, I would rather save the money to buy a new fish in the spring.
        " I'd rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy "

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        • #5

          Well, we are having a "cold spell" too. The camellias like it. Lots of white, red and pink blooms this week. The rosy red & pink & white Betty Sheffield Supreme is a favorite & doing better this year than she has for a couple of years. "Silver Etching" is a soft pink with literally dozens of blooms just opening ... has a very faint fragrance that attracts honeybees. This morning I took the pond's temp before feeding ... 62F at 8am. The air temp was in low 40s, so I was colder than the fish as I sat pondside giving them breakfast. But too chilly for me to do much in the yard today. Just trimmed the bougainvillia at the front door a little, and spread oak leaves that were raked up earlier in the week over some garden beds to keep down weeds, watered the pots of pansies around the back walk. ...... If you like what your hearing, move on down!!! Our economy depends on bad winters in the North causing forgetfulness about 5 months of temps in mid-90s and 98% humidity, where you break into a sweat just stepping out the door from the A/C. Gators in the lakes, snakes in the garden, lizards everywhere ... you'll get used to it in just one winter ... our best time of year. But, tough getting 4 seasons for the koi when you go straight from Fall to Spring.

          Now, I'm going to go sit by the pond bundled in a sweater and enjoy the sunshine. p.s. Wish I could do something about your ice, but I don't know nothin' 'bout no ice.

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          • #6

            frozen

            Ah yes but how can you expect to stand on the middle of your pond with a three finger hot toddie and say to the fish No I am not coming swimming with you today.
            " I'd rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy "

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            • #7

              Winter

              Hi the Mikes & MCA,

              We're having a cold "spell" here too. These pics are from Friday, several nice 15 minute snow showers throughout the day. The Koi still asking me for food. MCA likely got some of this too. Some "crunchy" ground, but not bad. Last weekend the temps were 72 F.

              Best Wishes,
              Brady Brandwood (2 pics)


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              • #8

                snow

                this is what it looked like last year after an early snow. now it is a solid falls with no movement.
                " I'd rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy "

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                • #9

                  YOU HAVE BETTY SHEFFIELDS?

                  My pond is 55F to placate JR and the two fish princesses are 72F to placate them.

                  I have an experiment going. Do chilled unfed females exposed to males have bigger eggy bellies than warmed fed feamles living like nuns with no males? So far its the two nuns who are by far most slim.

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                  • #10

                    Mr. Mazur, that millhouse is a totally charming way to explain where the water is coming from. So many people just heap up some rocks in the middle of a flat place and run the filtered water from it. It looks so STOOPID.

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                    • #11

                      frozen

                      Betty who? don't know if the females would respond like chickens with a rooster around.... makes a bit of sense tho... my females always emerge quite plump in the spring.
                      " I'd rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy "

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                      • #12

                        Mike! Can I help you!!
                        Here in the subWinter Central Washington I've had to deal with a similar predicament as you are dealing with now for the past 8 to 9 years. Through lots of trial and error (dead fish, some of my favorites), I have come up with a boiled down battle plan. You are welcome to use it if you think it will help.

                        - DON'T bang on anything! The sound from the concussion alone can stress and/or kill the fellas (use water -see later).

                        - Turn off all your pumps and drain them. Some "experts" say that the friction caused by running water(waterfall, streams...) raise the temperature. N O T ! Didn't work for the old man.
                        - If your pond is frozen over and your air lines are frozen in the ice, it's time for the old de-icer trick. You do NOT have to run your de-icer 24-7 for the rest of your life. Put the de-icer more than 3 to 4 inches away from your air line (did you know plastic melts?), plug it in and go get another three fingered toddy and sip on it for the next hour or so (you know your limit).
                        - After an hour, if you can still stand up, fill a couple 'a 5 gallon buckets full of HOT water, find a watering can (yeah I know, I know, you'll see, just wait), and slog back out to your pond. If the air line is not free yet (it probably won't be, but it will be close), fill your watering can full of the hot water and pour it from about 2 feet from above and around your air line and it will drill a hole through the ice (instead of running all over the top of your pond). (It'll probably still splash all over you, but hey, that's progress...)
                        - Now that the air line is free and you have a melted hole next to it, unplug the de-icer and set it aside for another day. (Did you know that de-icers make real interesting scars on your buddies when they discover that dad has put a heater just for them in their frozen pond?) Raise the air stone to 10 to 12 inches below the water surface. You just want to use the air to keep the hole open. Your guys down on the bottom will have enough oxygen, don't worry.

                        - If you have followed these instructions and have not felt a desparate need to go back for at least a couple more toddies, you will find a hole in the ice will stay open for a long time, even without the de-icer.

                        - Voila! This regimen works for me like a charm. At least I haven't killed anything this way lately. I suppose that means I am losing my "expert" status. (Here in the PNW, it's claimed that the more you have killed, the more of an "expert" you are.) I hope all this helps ya. DANG! DON'T WINTER JUST SUCK!

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                        • #13

                          frozen

                          The millhouse was custom made for me by the ever talented Pensylvania Dutch. It does fit in nice and give a meaning and source to the falls. In the summer the wheel is fed by a splitter of the filter line and is a true overshot wheel. If I ever get to it I want to place a small air compressor inside pwered by the wheel to add a bit of airation and to add to the storries around the pond. Air line isn't frozen as of yet but will keep in mind suggestions to melt if needed.
                          " I'd rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy "

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                          • #14

                            Mike! ...No offense man but here in Central Wa. your "mill" looks like one of our outhouses!? Did you steal one of my "dew pots" and hall it to NJ a few years ago?
                            Just think of your waterfall as a quaint "winter sculpture"

                            MikeM...Even tho you are sittin' 'n sippin' in a HOT place I still like ya. You were the first one to welcome me to the board. DANG! Warm fuzzies....

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                            • #15

                              over in the uk were not getting it as cold as usual so far its been pretty mild did have one day of snow but temps have risen slightly but weve encounted some bad winds this evening.

                              paul

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