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  • Kindai Showa - Your Thoughts

    Since there seems to be an absence of any new threads recently, I thought I start a new one. A Kindai Showa I bought last spring and is currently 14 1/2 inches. Unsure of sex at the moment - thinking female though, but then I always think female so who knows. Your thoughts on how this one may develop or anything else would be welcome, especially Brady and JR. The white is as good if not better than in the photo. Sorry for the slight bluriness of the first photo - was hard to focus on all those wonderful red spots while I was shaking......... :smt003
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    Showa

    Hi Dan,

    First let me say "thanks" for posting some photos,... always enjoyable to see some of the Koi others are keeping.

    This Showa is screaming "male" to me, which is fine, I'm a big fan of male Koi. You're right, the white is striking,... that sumi is not likely to scare you with any surprises, I think it will appear in the obvious places, and won't be a heavy, imposing sumi. My impression from the pics is that the beni is way ahead of the sumi in development, but I can't see enough detail in the photos. Do you have any close-up pics? I would be interested in seeing the shoulder and tail areas close.

    Best Wishes,
    Brady Brandwood

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    • #3

      Brady - tried to post the only other photo I have but couldn't get it to go for some reason. Sent it to you in an email. Hopefully you will be able to see those two areas in question. Thanks.

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      • #4

        stunning

        stunning kindai you have there I would jitter a bit at a photo op on this one as well. the sumi is all that you are waiting for the rest is great nice nice fish definate one that would make me reach for my wallet.
        " I'd rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy "

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        • #5

          Thats a very impressive Kindai! Very sharp edges for a fish of that size and has great balance. I can't tell from the photo, but is there any additional sumi thats looks to emerge? What can you tell us about the breeder?

          p.s. Looks like a male to me, need a better photo.

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          • #6

            Dan.......A kindai like that shouldn't be over on the "Westside". Too much rain! :smt006 :smt006 It'll only fade out those fantastic colors! You should send HIM (I'm a thinkin') over to me to get some decent healthy sunshine! :twisted: :twisted:

            Al

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            • #7

              Nice kindai, I'd say male too and agree with Brady re. the sumi, particularly the head area, if this comes, as it looks likely to, it will for sure be impressive.
              How old is it and what breeder?
              Andrew

              "Gentlemen prefer ponds"

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              • #8

                Hi Dan,
                I agree with the concensus that it is a male. a detailed pic would be nice
                to see if my impressions on the black are magoi or asagi based. at this point I'd say magoi. the red is what I call "dangerous" as it is so far ahead of the black that any kind of water situation like high ph could send it away. everything being equal I believe the face should clear up shortly and the koi be good for showing for the next 2-3 seasons.
                Dick Benbow

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                • #9

                  Showa

                  Dan has e-mailed me another photo, it isn't in a format I can post - but in the new pic, the Showa doesn't look so obviously male, and also, the beni is a softer orangy red, so opinions may change with a closer look - hopefully Dan has taken the day off work, and is netting this Showa up, and taking some close photos for us all to look over,... this is the responsible thing to do here,... for the group,... way more important than work and careers and that sort of rubbish,... are we asking too much Dan?

                  Best Wishes,
                  Brady

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                  • #10

                    sigh. it's seeing pics of kois like these that make me want to cull my pond and go fish hunting again...

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                    • #11

                      The other photo I sent to Brady. Had to post it from my AOL storage. For some reason I could not get it to go with the browse button from my computer. Hopefully a closer look. To answer a few questions - do not know the Breeder, and it was a two year old this past spring. As Brady mentioned the hi is softer orangy red. The white on this koi makes the hi look more intense in color depending on the lighting and viewpoint.

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                      • #12

                        Brady - I would love to bowl it up and take some additional photos but alas it still too cold out. Just got over a week of snow and ice and the typical rainy Northwest winter weather has returned. Pond temperature is starting to rise again but is currently at 45 degrees F. I do however promise to do that for you this spring when conditions are right.

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                        • #13

                          dan,
                          why you can't always depend on a pic to give you a true color. the red does have orange in it! (that's a good thing) ! I am concerned about the dappled red at the base of the tail as if red was there and was fading away?
                          Dick Benbow

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                          • #14

                            erm.. that's interesting that you read that 'hi' like that Dick, I can also see a case for reading that as unstable hi going, or poor secondary hi that won't make it (when does it ever?).
                            Alas I can't see that this further photo opens the door for a belief of female and I have to say this photo shows a bland right flank, I question now that the koi is as balanced as I first thought and maybe is somewhat katamoyo?
                            Andrew

                            "Gentlemen prefer ponds"

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                            • #15

                              Hey Andrew - if you're going to talk to Dick about my koi in code I will have to dig out my enigma machine. All kidding aside , it does at this point appear somewhat katamoyo (single sided pattern), but there is some underlying sumi on that side, at the outside edge of the mid-dorsal patch (2nd hi marking from the tail), which if it surfaces could be a match for the other side. Only time will tell. Thanks for the comments.

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