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    Does anyone know what sort of price these are and their general availability in Japan as I want one and the UK price is rediculous!?





    Mark
    Mark Gardner
  • #2

    Greetings Mark,

    If I were you I'd email Fujio Oomo and ask for him to get you a quote.
    You probably know of him, in ojiya-has women's dress shop there, recently got into breeding showas, speaks extremely good english. Mark bodycott at USA koi is pretty chummy with him. Know him Mark?
    Dick Benbow

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    • #3

      Hi Dick

      I have several 'feelers' out in Japan already.

      I know of Mark and Fujio but know neither personally.

      Cheers

      Mark
      Mark Gardner

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      • #4

        How much is that measuring tray? Besides looking cool, you can put measuring marks on the side of your straight tub?
        The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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        • #5

          I have one of those measuring trays, bought in Japan at one of the dry goods stores 3 years ago. The price then was either 9000 or 18,000 yen. Sorry, memory is bad about that. It was also expensive to ship, as it didnt fit into any regular koi boxes because of it's length. Essentially cost the same as a box of koi from Japan to ship it, and luckily I was able to split the cost with another hobbyist who also bought one. Mine was shipped home through Infiltration.

          So I have one, but have very infrequently used it. It is much easier to use the square tub I marked years ago.

          Hope that helps.
          Best regards,

          Bob Winkler

          My opinions are my best interpretation of my experiences. They are not set in stone as I intend to always be a student of life. And Koi.

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          • #6

            Thanks Bob.

            Given the UK retail price i'd reckon Y9000.

            I understand 2 sizes 90cm and 65cm and i'm after the small one so could probably fit it in my hand luggage ;-)

            Mark
            Mark Gardner

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            • #7

              Hi Mark,

              Are you still after a measuring bowl only there is a firm on KoiChat that do them and they are about £40.00.

              Hope this helps but i bet you have already seen it in the industry section.

              Gazza.
              Regards

              Gazza

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              • #8

                Mark:

                Just viewed the Momotaro DVD put out by Brian of KoiBito...One segment shows Maeda san measuring his koi...

                All he uses is what looks like a meter L x 30cm W x 45cm deep blue tub with a white tape rule glued to the side and bottom...

                His assistant places the the koi in the tub, Maeda san turns it in the right direction, pulls it to the side of the tub with the rule, places the nose to the short side of the tub (0cm), holds the koi in place with his left hand and flattens the tail with his right, and calls out the measurement...

                Was measuring nisai and up...ranging from 30-80 cm koi straignt just in from the mud ponds...no thrashing, no problems...Sometimes it's best to keep it simple...

                This seems like an inexpensive way to go....

                Aloha! Mike

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                • #9

                  Mike

                  I know how Maeda measures koi, you may have noticed the bit on the DVD where i'm stood next to him whilst he does it!

                  My question wasn't about how to measure koi or suitable bowls for doing so, it was specifically about the Shinkoukai vessels.

                  Cheers

                  Mark
                  Mark Gardner

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                  • #10

                    Mark:

                    Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing you there...Just out of curiosity what is the advantage of using the Shinkoukai vessel...Never too late to learn something new...

                    Aloha! Mike

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                    • #11

                      Mike

                      There is quite possibly no advantage to using one of these compared to a bowl.

                      The measuring bowl generally available in the UK has, in my mind, some flaws for precise measuring, particularly of small koi.

                      1) the end slopes by approx 1.5cms top to bottom, therefore dependent on where you position the koi it affects the measurement. The shinkoukoi vessel has a straight end.
                      2) the scale on the side does not go from the top to the bottom of the bowl and there is no scale on the bottom. If you hold a small (up to about 35cms) koi to the base of the measuring bowl (where the scale starts from) then the bottom of the measuring scale ends before the top of the tail. Obviously this is not the case on the shinkoukai vessel.

                      I accept these are not major issues and not enough to warrant the cost of the measuring vessel at UK prices but are just a frustration. However, you can in reality adjust the length of a koi by 1.5cms with creative measuring.

                      Mark
                      Mark Gardner

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