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    Hi,

    I read in an other thread about 3 users feeding Hikari Koi Food.
    Is Hikari a very popular food in the US?

    In Germany Hikari hasn't a good reputation.

    An expectionally high nummer of koi keepers, which reportet about carp pox using Hikari Koi Food.

    I'm neither a biologist nor a doctor, I don't know if there is any relation between carppox and Hikari.

    I think it's a remarkable concodance, that the people which reporting about their problems with carppox usinf Hiakri for feeding, but since that, Hiakri isn't the top product.

    There is a very often used koi food in Germany called "Koi-Power

    Koi-Power is produced in partnership with DR. Bretzinger, one of the leading Koi-Doctors in Germany.

    It has an optimal fat-/proteinrate from 1/2,5.
    The protein are easy to digest, because they are fish meal (28%) and prawns (8%).
    The fat are only from the oil of marine-animals.

    compostion:
    fish meal, wheat, wheat meal, fish oil, soy bruised grain, spirulina alga 6%, prawns, shrimps, yeast, vitamins, trace elements, astaxanthin

    ingredients:
    protein 36% Lysin 2,2%
    fat 14%
    ash 7,5%
    fiber 2,5%
    calcium 1,5%

    What kind of koi-food are you using?

    What do you thing about "Koi-Power"?
  • #2

    Nico,

    How much of the feed is wheat?
    Semper in excreta, sumus solum profundum variat

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    • #3

      I couldn't find any numbers about...

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      • #4

        Nico
        In my opinion it is usually too much. Wheat makes the pellets easy to manufacture. My opinion is it is there for the convenience of the manufacturer not the health of the fish. But do Koi need it? Is wheat even healthy for koi? I have my own opinions on this matter.
        I am looking forward to trying some of the new Momotaro food this spring when I go to the BKKS Koi show. Mike Snaden Has told me that it isn't bound with wheat but rather with seaweed. I prefer seaweed to wheat and use it in the paste food I make for my fish.

        B.Scott
        Semper in excreta, sumus solum profundum variat

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        • #5

          I think, there isn't much in it, lets calculate

          38,2 % protein
          14,0 % fat
          6,0 % spirulina

          That are 58,2 % what we know exactly.

          If try to contact somebody of Koi-Power, to get more information

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          • #6

            hikari food

            Hikari food is the biggest selling food brand in Japan and very popular here in England. The range of food is hugh and caters for all koi needs. The wheatgerm food is very popular in winter and through out the year as a base food to then mix with colour or growth pellets. The new Saki range of food with probiotics is very good, Its advertised as breeder prefered.I have seen breeders in Japan use this food. Momotaro Food again is excellent only sold in 2kilo bags, but this is good. The bags are vacumn packed, and the key to good food is the freshness.As once the bag is opened your against the clock, as to keeping the goodness in the food. He has dropped his colour and white ground food, for a new all season bag, its very very good. Again I go to momotaro koi farm ive seen the food, ive used the food and seen the results it can produce.
            But ignoring all that, there are loads of other foods that are good, dont buy bulk sacks to save money by the time you feed 15 kilo of food it wont hold much goodness. keep it fresh and buy regular small amounts in small or medium pellet but thats another topic.

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            • #7

              hikari

              Sorry didnt mention about Hikari Gold this maybe the food people have had problems with because of the carotene level in this food to colour enhance the beni. This can produce hikui and totaly ruins the fish. Hikari foods other products do not do this. Hikui and carp pox are different, food can not be related to carp pox in fish.

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              • #8

                Thanks Simon for the overview of the British market.

                I've heared about Phoenix 2000, to be a famous food brand in the UK.

                food can not be related to carp pox in fish.
                Thats sound really strange, I allready said, that I don#t think there is any relation, but the reports from some koi-keepers I mentiones above can be a reason for chossing another brand.

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                • #9

                  I Like the concept of the Hikari Saki all seasons (orange label) But I must say I do have my sceptisizim about the probiotic part of the spiel. I tend to think of bacteria starters and THOSE are all junk.
                  I would take MUCH more convicing before I started using Hikari Saki on the basis of it's probiotic benifits.

                  B.Scott
                  Semper in excreta, sumus solum profundum variat

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                  • #10

                    When I first got into the hobby I was first using Hikari....Got some good size out of my koi using Wheatgrem and Gri=owth as a mix...The reason why I stop using it was the cost. I started using Ogata Wheatgrem, because it is cheaper and the fish love it. I think the Ogata product is better allround than Hikari...I mean if you put the 2 products up against each other the results are way different being that they are both wheatgrem based. The problem with Ogata food is that it is be coming harder to get here in the US...So, I am back to Hikari for now until Ogata is more readly availible. Also, carp pox is carried by koi not food products..
                    The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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                    • #11

                      Ogata koi food, is availiable all over Germany, we have problem with Momotaro.

                      There isn't any Momotaro distributor in Germany, so you have to contact momotaro directly, to get any Momotaro products.

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                      • #12

                        Momotaro food we can't even get. I last heard one of the dealers here was goin to get the receipe of the food and produce it locally. Either way I still think Ogata Wheatgrem is still the best...for the price and ingredients....
                        The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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                        • #13

                          I'm using 15% of Hikari excel to 85% momotaro color food in the morning & 15% of Hikari excel to 85% momotaro white food at night. I like the results so far.
                          Twice a week I give my koi sweet potatoes to enhance their internal organ & skin. Tofu once a week cos it is high in calcium. Up to 85mg per 100g. Silk worm pupae once a week. Shrimp in small portion only as a snack once a week. They like shrimp very much cos everytime try to separate my finger from my hand when I give it to them.LOL.
                          Many high quality food are easy available in my country for e.g. momotaro, sakai, ogata, manda food, silk worm pupae etc.
                          Various Hikari food are also easy to get & many hobbyist use them for the sake of convenience as they are available just at their neighbourhood aquarium store. So far haven't heard of any ill effect.

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                          • #14

                            To feed sweet potatoes and tofu are completly new for us here in Germany

                            Silk worms and shrimps are well known, I feed them, too.

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                            • #15

                              Hi Nico maybe you want to try them sometime. In momotaro farm they use sweet potatoes, pumpkin, tofu, etc too. Some hobbyists use refresh for calcium but I think tofu is more effective. Refresh will bring up my water GH & TDS level tofu won't.
                              Does hobbyists in Germany use salt in their pond? Some of our local guys do that but I don't because in my opinion if a certain level of salt is kept in the pond all the time then parasite & anerobic bacteria will start to build resistance to the salt level & it will become more diffcult to deal with when a problem break up in the pond.
                              SF



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