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    Well now that i have two good asagi, I was thinking about looking into a good shusui.

    In research I found out they were the first douitsu variety ever developed and the only koi to be developed in Tokyo proper ( as opposed to niigata etc ).

    Color varieties include Hi, Hana, pearle, and ki.

    I was wondering if anyone else has some experience/expertise in raising and appreciating them.

    I showed my wife a picture of a hi shusui I was smitten with and she said it was the ugliest koi she'd ever seen.

    help, am I the only one who can see thru the ugly duckling to the beautiful swan
    it will become?
    Dick Benbow
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    Blue, blue, blue, that's all I ever hear from you......what are you nuts. Someone beat you as a kid? I agree with your wife.....them things are double ugly! You have to get over this obcession you have with low class Japanese varities. God forbid man, you're going to hell in a hand basket. Yuck!!!!

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    • #3

      At least someone in the Benbow household has some sanity
      Mark Gardner

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      • #4

        Thank-you Mark, at least someone was able to give me some support. You were
        referring to me right?
        Dick Benbow

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        • #5

          I do have some sympathy for you DickB. I also happenned to like both asagi and shusui, even though not to the 'crazy' level as you! In fact I have one Hosokai asagi in my pond. When I get the chance to photograph her, I will post for you to comment.

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          • #6

            OK...time out...was only joking. Dick put me up to it as he wanted to play a joke on his better half by having someone agree with her. I already got questioned about my comment on another board this morning. Dick...you're just trying to get me in trouble you sly dog. Actually I like shusui....think nice ones are stunning. So there, I'm out of the closet for what it's worth!

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            • #7

              Dick, I always like young Shusui when the blue is bright, but as they age it always seems to turn gray. Then I get fixated on the dorsal scales. If any are out of straight, or size proportion, it drives me nuts. I dislike lateral line scalation, so those get knocked off the list (not to mention the ones with stray scales someplace!) Then, I do not like the red covering the blue ... if it is bad on Asagi, it should be bad on Shusui. ......So, I really like the ones that have none of these failings!



              P.S., just to show how perverse I can be, once I saw a leather-style doitsu from a Shusui hatch that was entirely persimmon, except the head was gray and there was a narrow strip of gray along the dorsal. It was a very gracefully shaped male. I thought it was fantastic ....and absolutely awful as a Shusui! I've got no taste.

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              • #8

                Here is a small hi shusui I should have bought. Dick was going to get a small matsakawabake and I was going to this small shusui (about 10 inches). The one he liked was sold...so I passed. Should have just flown it up by itself. Just like the look of it...kinda unusual...with good scalation....was fairly cheap also Oh well..been there, done that before.
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                  Dan,
                  Hope i didn't get you in too much trouble! Thanks for clarifying it! I showed Jo Ann your and Mark's posts but I'll not show her anything else. Want her to be surprised when one shows up at the airport! (lol) I wish you had gotten that little red shusui!
                  Kiky, will look forward to seeing your Asagi photo. thanks for the offer!
                  Mike: Over the years I have seen some spectacular koi that appealed to me but because they didn't meet criteria I ignored them. I wish I had them today.
                  I think if you find a koi that speaks to you, you should get it. I let an all blue
                  douitsu shusui with perfect bekko spots get away from me and i shouldn't have.
                  Also a kohaku that had perfect motoaka on the pecs. Both were very pretty koi and quite striking.I know your quite the student on koi varieties. The interesting thing about shusui is that they do lose their blue quickly. But the red does not
                  dramaticaly change. With Asagi the blue stays permanent, it may get darker with the hardness (GH) of the water and usually the red continues to grow.
                  Dick Benbow

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                  • #10

                    Actually Dick, I have a photo of her taken in Jan '04 when she was 18 months old, 42 cm (Born June '02). Now she is more then 60 cm, but don't have her latest photo yet. Here it is......, hope it is quite clear
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                    • #11

                      Your really getting pretty good growth on her. I think that's so important for an asagi which does not have much red to come into play with the pattern. I think that red on the face in either shusui or asagi can give personality to the koi but with asagi, their blue and net pattern is their basics and the bigger and nicer that is the better.She also looks like as she gets older her face will whiten. Hopefully once she finishes stretching you can get some volumn to her. With shusui again it's the scales that are bottom line important. They are the ones that run from behind the head to the tail. they should be so alligned and identical as to (in theory) match up like a zipper. Every once and a while you see one like that an marvel at the allignment. Keep her growing kiky, love to see her again at about 68-72 cms. her face and fukerin should be quite stunning.
                      Dick Benbow

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                      • #12

                        I am also a stickler for scale pattern on Shusui. A Shusui must really be perfect in order for me to like them. I like a nice dark row down the dorsal, and equal balance of red on left and right. Here is a picture of some Yamajyu's tosai house..
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                        • #13

                          I peaked over the shoulder of someone who had this one bowled up and got a picture. Sorry for the poor quality. It was at the Matsuba place by the tunnel. Sorry I dont remember the name.
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                            Ok, sheild your eyse on these pictures. They are my mutts. The first koi I was one of the very first koi I purchased at WalMart 5 years ago. I sold it this year to my Indian friend. He says the scales look like Iraqi writing.

                            The second one is one from one of my yearly flock spawnings. I have sold it also.

                            The third one I got from Kloubecs as a tosai. It actually looked like a doisu kohaku when I got it. I was very surprized. Its now a Sansai. Keeping it for now, until I can afford to trade up later. Its got all the things I dont like, however this year when I bred it, I got a little asagi out of the mix.

                            The last one I like. However I saw ones like it in Japan in the "for dinner" ponds I'll hold on to it awhile longer. Something to be said for the purity of the blue.
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                            • #15

                              I know these 2 dont really fit the category, but I really liked them.

                              Ok, Im guessing as to the varieties... Doitsu Hi Matsuba and Doitsu Ki Shusui ???
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