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    I got a chance to pick up a couple of hikari wheat germ sinking today so i did. I see it so rarely in the states, that i couldn't refuse. It's not true wheat germ. if you read the label it lists shrimp meal and fish meal also. But it's a wonderful
    food. I haven't fed it in about 15 years so was anxious to see how the gang responded. I think if they could talk, they would have said something like...wow dad,
    why have you been feeding us barley when we coulda had this stuff?

    you might be thinking why in God's green earth would anyone want to feed sinking. isn't floating food so you can see your koi?

    my answer is that my sweetie is always so shy and the last one up to get any wheat germ that she hardly gets any. She was right there with the sinking!

    was curious if anyone else had or does use sinking......
    Dick Benbow
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    One time when I was at Tom Lansings we talked about sinking food. He said he liked it, but the food would go down the drain a lot of the time before the koi eat it. I would think sinking food would be great for a pond without good flow in it, but a pond with a lot of heavy flow, it might not be the best thing to feed.

    Tom

    Keep it simple, keep it straight Koi-Bito.com

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    • #3

      I use it Dick....alternate some times to away from floating. Learned only to throw in enough at a time so it gets quickly picked up by the herd before getting to the bottom drains. Wait a few minutes throw some more in until I feed the desired amount. Where did ya get the sinking Hakari at?

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      • #4

        Ah sinking food.. Very nice..

        My Izeki paste sinks I really like it. But if you watch the fish its is much easier for them to eat as they swim ahead and snatch it out of the air so to speak instead of hang with there heads up pumping their gills.

        Another good benefit is that you can spot feed the koi you are trying to bulk up just like your shy fish as the other fish are frenzied in the corner you can throw em her way and they sink right to her.

        Joe
        It's a living creature (chit happens)

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        • #5

          Dick:

          Like Joe, I don't feed sinking pellets but cooked shrimp and everything he says is true...

          Am using a demand feeder with Yokozuna 46% protein food and they get enough to keep them happy, yet as soon as I drop in the shrimp, once/week they eat it right away and everyone gets their fair share... I follow Dans method of a little at a time so 100% gets to the koi...

          If I could get sinking Yokozuna, I'd probablly get that....

          Aloha! Mike

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          • #6

            Interesting, didn't think it would be as popular as it evidentally is.


            Dan, I bough a few bags off blackburn. Where did you get yours?
            Dick Benbow

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            • #7

              My sinking has been Kani Ichiban and Izeki paste. Also feed floating Kani Ichiban. Mix it with other pellets, hikari whaeat germ, Ogata silk powder or Hi silk later on.

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              • #8

                With the Izeki paste you guys add anything to it, or just feed it like it comes?

                Tom

                Keep it simple, keep it straight Koi-Bito.com

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                • #9

                  I mix different pellets, often sinking and floating are fed at the same time. Most of the koi prefer sinking food, but some show a preference for floating pellets ... sometimes a koi just does not like being part of the crowd.

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                  • #10

                    Originally posted by Tom C
                    With the Izeki paste you guys add anything to it, or just feed it like it comes?

                    Tom

                    Yeah I add stuff it it
                    It's a living creature (chit happens)

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                    • #11

                      Sometimes I add stuff. Usually make it with orange juice though when plain or otherwise.

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                      • #12

                        Dick,

                        I have been feeding the sinking Hikari Wheat Germ for 2 seasons now. I get it from Gene at Koi Village. It is not listed on their site. The first time I wanted to order it, I sent Gene an email and asked if he could get it for me. I was interested in 20 Kgm for the whole season. He replied that he had just spoken with the Hikari supplier and it would be no problem, in fact he had already ordered it on spec that I would in fact purchase. It was the same price as the floating Wheat Germ I believe. I would recommend giving them a call/email and ask about availability. My fish go for it right away and for me it is easier to monitor how much they eat and to know that they are finished feeding. Found I was wasting less food than with surface feeding.


                        Keokoi,

                        Where are you getting your Izeki paste. I last used some the summer of the AKCA Concord Seminar. Then could not find it again and was told there was some sort of an import problem.


                        The mix receipe I was given from Tom Holder was Orange Juice, Vitamin C, Cod Liver Oil, and Flax Oil. As I remember (can not find my receipe notes right at the moment) I would put 1 tbs vit C, Cod liver oil, and flax oil in a large bowl and mix with about 1/2 cup of orange juice. Then add the dry paste mix, about 1 to 1.5 cups to make a very stiff dough. This is from memory and the ratios may be off from what they should be. Especially with the oils.

                        Then after getting fed up with the stick to my fingers and wind up throwing it just about every where feedings, I started this routine: Just after mixing I would tear off small pieces and drop them into another bowl with some dry paste in it. The small pieces would become coated with dry mix and could be worked into small balls and handled with out sticking to my fingers.

                        I went to sinking foods because for some reason my fish would not eat the floating. The season before I went to the sinking, I had to mix the floating pellets with plain gelatin to get them to sink. At this point the fish went wild for eating so I just figured to cut out the plain gelatin mixing process and see about getting sinking food. Hikari lists it on their site and I went from there with asking Gene if he could supply it to me.

                        I will start using a demand feeder this season. So far every thing I have read about them is positive or can be easily compensated for.


                        Steve

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                        • #13

                          Originally posted by Steve E


                          Keokoi,

                          Where are you getting your Izeki paste. I last used some the summer of the AKCA Concord Seminar. Then could not find it again and was told there was some sort of an import problem.

                          Steve

                          Steve, I had a few bags left from years ago. Yes there is a import problem with the food. I am also in search of more bags... Gotta make it last so that is why I add more stuff to it.

                          Joe
                          It's a living creature (chit happens)

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                          • #14

                            was thinking by now, the topic of the denisty or concentration of sinking food would come up. Ie: you can't feed as much as the floating type has more air in it and therefore has less actual food. A handful of sinking over a handful of floating is two different amounts? Comments?
                            Dick Benbow

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                            • #15

                              All pelleted foods have differing densities. The way I approach this issue is by actually weighing the food at least once. I take my favorite dispensing "cup", zero it on the scale and weigh the food I need. I take a note of the level of food in cup and use that thereafter.

                              It is critical to know how much food tou feed your fish, and filters.
                              Arthur

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