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  • Garden Bog

    Hi I was just wondering would a garden bog work with a mud pond in helping keep water clear?
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    If I understand your intent from getting to know you from your previous posts my answer would be no it wouldn't. In some articles i have seen published on mr maeda from momotaro ,you'll see his growth ponds with water hyacyths in them. They offer shade as well as work on water quality. Just be careful in buying them as i have seen problems introduced with these plants that were not disinfected!
    Dick Benbow

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    • #3

      Disinnfect all plants going into a koi pond in a Potassium Permanganate solution at 100ppm for one hour (including leaves).
      Arthur

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      • #4

        Hi Dick and thanks , I know the plants will help with water quality, but am not sure if they will do much good for clarity in a mud pond. I am going to use the hay in the bottom since I have found out that it helps and decomposes and helps to feed the fry. I have planned a garden bog on my big pond and if it helps with clarity I will let everone know. Just a experiment to see.

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        • #5

          mainly checking if my picture works.

          it could be hard to balance such a situation, but thats what nature has come up with so i reckon give it a go on your big fish pond. think plants are tiny complete biofilters.
          if only you could hold back tiny algal cells easily..and light em up all night long.

          hyacynth,tomatoes, lettuce.. the list goes on. its been done with good results in plenty of places. unless you have a lack of air, water flow and get a root rot off i dont see why it would be bad. if they go bad just pull em out and rethink.

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          • #6

            oh yeh but i dont think it will help the clay particles much either though.
            its weird but i used to panic a bit about the clayey ponds, not ideal but they seem to go ok.
            has anyone come up with application rate for gypsum so she can try that.

            maybe ill go through some papers and find it someday.
            im thinking it was 40mg/l. dont try it and kill your fish though. check it first. i should write disclaimers from now on.

            on a different note, ive got some source water that is stained tea from all the organic matter.
            i recently noticed that when i run it through a biofilter for about three weeks on a closed recirc system it became much clearer, initially i had a sechi reading of about 8 inches then after a few weeks i could just about see the bottom. maybe the colour went into the bacterias gut.

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            • #7

              i got an equation for kfg and her fry pond and anyone that wants to know.

              gypsum application mg/l = total alkalinity mg/l - total hardness mg/l x 4.

              i dont think that this application rate has been calculated to remove clay.

              anyway..its safe enough for your fish..how much youd use depends on your source and once its mixed with your pond/.
              i wouldnt go over 80 mg/l with the gypsum myself (though some do.)


              total alkalinity is the quantity of titrable bases present in your water,- mainly carbonates and bi carbonates but also hydroxides.
              whereas total hardness is the overall concentration of divalent salts.
              being calcium, magnesium and iron etc.. confused yet?
              (not a real concern for you yet)
              id advise you to take it on the side of easy application, easy fertilisation, straw bales are ok and work up from there.

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              • #8

                I wounder what a layer of gravel would do? Just bounceing around things in my head. You can put a potted plant in your pond that is full of clay and cover the top with gravel and it does not mess up the water. How can gravel hold clay particals.

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                • #9

                  Gravel = Bad. The koi can scrape themselves on the gravel and then get an ulcer. After a season with koi rooting around, the mud pond will have all kinds of exposed rocks everywhere. The Japanese have to go around with a tamping machine and tamp the soil down.

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                  • #10

                    Hi Greg that is a idea that might help some when I get ready to fill my ponds. What about a layer of sand do you think that would help any?

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                    • #11

                      Why are you worrying about clay being suspended in the water? From my recollection of the red clay of north Florida settling out, I do not think it is going to be much of an issue anyway.

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                      • #12

                        Hi Mike I need algie growth in the ponds and the more I can filter the water the better dont you think. I am trying to find a way to help clear the water some, as I dont know how long it will take for the pond to settle. Algie needs light to grow and in a new mud pond I dont think I will have much algie unless I can do something to help clear the water. Just thinking of all types of ways to help clear water and see what you guys think.

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                        • #13

                          Hi Mike, I boyfriend mother has a catfish pond that has been dug and stocked for five years and the thing is still just a muddy and murkey as day one. The pond is only about a half acre and they have two other ponds that are in the 3 acre range and are not muddy. So it leads me to believe that the size has something to do with it. I dont know and I am still learning. By the way I wish I could get some pics of the carp in the other two lakes. These carp look like whales, they are so big. They managed to kill one last year and are trying to get a few more. They have sixteen big un in the lake and want to get rid of some of them as they dont need so many. The carp have been in the lake for years and are huge. They are at least 80 years old.

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                          • #14

                            Large ponds, in general, tend to be more muddy. The longer wind fetch allows more wave action to be generated. The fish type, fish size and fish number are also important. Catfish and carp stir up the bottom when foraging. The chemistry is important too as the negative charge on particles in a colloidal suspension helps keep them up in the water column. The development of and addition of organic matter helps.

                            -steve

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                            • #15

                              KFG: See if you can get free materials from the University of Georgia Ag. Department, or the state Agriculture Dep't, on aquaculture. I expect they will address issues of Georgia clay. I do not think filtering will help you, because there will either be decent settlement of the clay, or far too great a quantity for a reasonable filter. Enriching the bottom clay with chicken waste (after liming etc. and before adding water) may be all you need to do to get the algae bloom you want. The aquaculture specialists with your state Ag Dep't should have lots of information/recommendations to provide.

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