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    Can an Independent person throw a koi show without the AKCA?
    The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.
  • #2

    Sure you can. The AKCA really has no input in your show anyway except for supplying judges, but you could bring in whoever you wanted to be a judge. If you have the resources to do one independantly, then go for it. Any show, is better than no show, for education.

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    • #3

      I don't know your circumstances but you can get around lots of things with good organization.

      find a nearby club that will rent you their tanks for your friendship experience.
      talk to a public place that will allow you to put water on display in their facility.
      communicate with a current judge that might come use your "show" as an educational unoffical tool.
      get a top bench team from a long time organized club that knows how not to cross contaminate and get them to volunteer their help.
      get a sponsor who you will give their name to your effort to underwrite the basic cost of putting it on.

      our mike can help you out here, but get a good release from harm consent form for participants to sign!
      Dick Benbow

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      • #4

        Cool, thanks on the input guys...I was thinking on the lines of an ALL-California Show.

        Tanks I would have to rent from the clubs. There would be no problem getting help from the dealers here and out of state. But, I was looking more next year around Feb. Need to push this hobby forward, alot forward....
        The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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        • #5

          We're working towards it. But I think best we can hope for is treating Gardena as the 'All California" show -- it IS the defacto All California. And All Northern California is certainly possible and the SFBAKC show is a good place for it OR the CKC show in fall.

          If we include a dealer class as well as a hobbyist class then maybe next year's CKC. Please forgive my ignorance here but maybe that would be closer to a 'All Japan' type of show?

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          • #6

            More like an "All-Japan Show", would love to see it happen. 30-40 or maybe 50 tanks. Hobbyist from all over would come out. We will see thou, still gathering opinions on this....
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            • #7

              What would you guys think of a money prize for top awards? If not money but prizes like a trip to Japan or something like that....
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              • #8

                My opinion

                My opinion.

                1. Participate in the organisation of an existing show, you will learn lots.

                2. Find an established show that might be interested in being moved forward to what your goals are. Work with them.

                Bradley

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                • #9

                  Aquitori: Not sure what you have in mind, but it takes a lot of volunteers to put on a show of any size. The All-Florida show ran for several years as a joint project of about 10 clubs. It took everyone to pull it off, but it came to an end. The Central Florida Koi Show held in March grew out of that experience as a project of 5 clubs. Bringing the clubs together and getting them to work together can be a challenge. Everyone has different ideas and goals. Once on the same page, koikeepers can do great things.

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                  • #10

                    Well, I just wanted to get input first on everything, I know it's goin to be alot of work...and yes alot of work but what the hell...It would be nice to see something that big...If it happens it happens.
                    The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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                    • #11

                      Another major issue to utilize a judging team that is perceived as fair and unbaised. When a show uses breeder or dealer judges and they pick the koi they have sold as top award winners to local customers you can imagine the complaints. Throw in cash prizes and trips to Japan and you can imagine the scenario that follows.

                      Select from either AKCA or ZNA judges or both. The losers still won't like losing but at least the obvious conflict of interest issues are not there.

                      I should say as way of disclosure I am baised towards hobbyist judges. I am a AKCA candidate judge.
                      Disclosure:These opinions are based on my experience and conversations with persons I consider accomplished koi keepers and do not reflect the viewpoint of any organization.

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                      • #12

                        What do you think of having a closed judging session during the show where the judging teams have time to judge without outside interference. Where the Grand Champion is judged first and so on and so on?
                        I would have no problem asking AKCA and ZNA judges judge.


                        Originally posted by RayJordan
                        Another major issue to utilize a judging team that is perceived as fair and unbaised. When a show uses breeder or dealer judges and they pick the koi they have sold as top award winners to local customers you can imagine the complaints. Throw in cash prizes and trips to Japan and you can imagine the scenario that follows.

                        Select from either AKCA or ZNA judges or both. The losers still won't like losing but at least the obvious conflict of interest issues are not there.

                        I should say as way of disclosure I am baised towards hobbyist judges. I am a AKCA candidate judge.
                        The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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                        • #13

                          Judging can be done either way. In a closed area without an audience or as with almost all shows in the U.S. open for silent observation. I think open is appealing to the American sense of things. Also GC can either be picked first or later as part of the regular judging ranking of koi. Inmy mind picking GC up front removes some of the drama and suspense but that is just my preference.
                          Disclosure:These opinions are based on my experience and conversations with persons I consider accomplished koi keepers and do not reflect the viewpoint of any organization.

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                          • #14

                            Money for the winner of the jumbo class or maybe Baby Grand and Mature and I think you just might get alot of people to help. When you start talking money you attract alot of people so if you have the resourse to get this thing going and the help you just might be able to pull this off. Good luck.

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                            • #15

                              Ray, would you feel that if the judging was closed to the public that judges would get the job done faster more accurate. Also where would you rate yourself in the hobby, since you are a canidate AKCA judge do you consider yourself done with showing?
                              The world sleeps as the chance to learn something new passes.

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