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  • Body, you say Body

    watt is body ?
    a good example

    ATB video tv 2.00

    enjoy
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    Dan, Yes, a very nice full body. She must be about 80cm to 90cm?
    Bob

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    • #3

      this is a chagoi of 111cm
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      • #4

        hi another great vid.is it your pond or a dealers.
        i like the waterfall effect that you catch a shot of in the first few seconds.
        is that an exit from a shower?

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        • #5

          Originally posted by 07shiro View Post
          hi another great vid.is it your pond or a dealers.

          yes a dealer in Belgium

          i like the waterfall effect that you catch a shot of in the first few seconds.
          is that an exit from a shower?
          yes the exit of the filtering system, this filtering is special, a mix between trickle filter, japan mat and bead filter
          http://www.aquatechnobel.be

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          • #6

            sounds interesting any pics of filter too

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              • #8

                Interesting filter design. it certainly covers the gambit of concepts. I like the pachinko design on the return plate! And only two drains at the return end of the sloped floor- very interesting.

                On the chagoi ( former ochiba? Former soragoi?) there is no question that the fish has a massive girth and impressive length. And we all know that the 1990s has been about the one meter fish as the end all and be all. But for the sake of conversation, does this fish have a 'good' body?
                I think it might be a bit too bloated to be a great body. The bone structure can no doubt carry the bulk but if you look at the koi swimming away it looks a few degrees or percent beyond a good body line?
                Perhaps this is down to subjective preference and certainly a chagoi has a different body than gosanke-- but I think if this was a go sanke we would see it as too full a bodyline. Plump rather than full. Am I making my point? Indeed am I making any sense or just being picky? JR

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                • #9

                  your right what a filter system.it must be quick noisy though.the waterfall is a great design would look good on a outside pond just need to hide the rest.what media is in the trickle filter?does the jap mat get too dirty that it needs taking out to clean or does it get a good clean when opening the btm valves?
                  the bead filters look like they are fed from the other drain then just a chamber with the pumps in no vortex or sieve is that right.oh ive just noticed one bead filter goes straight back to pond via waterfall but the first one goes through the jap mat.
                  you said its a belgium dealer but the drawing is not from belgium so is this pond a copy of a japanese pond
                  sorry for all the questions im still learning

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                  • #10

                    the drawing are made in Japan but the pond as you see in the video is in Belgium

                    what media
                    titanium balls

                    does the jap mat get too dirty that it needs taking out to clean or does it get a good clean when opening the btm valves?
                    good clean when opening the btm valves only

                    oh ive just noticed one bead filter goes straight back to pond via waterfall but the first one goes through the jap mat.
                    actualy her is 4 bead filter more, a change last year they are fed from a chamber to have only fine mechanical filtering

                    sorry for all the questions im still learning
                    sorry for my English im still learning also
                    http://www.aquatechnobel.be

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                    • #11

                      after looking at the drawing again looks like the second bead filter dosent go to the waterfall but under it via a few returns therefore i think giving enough current to send the water to the shallow end.
                      would the pump to this bead filter need to be a bit more powerful so it can push the water the full length of the pond?

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                      • #12

                        Originally posted by JasPR View Post
                        But for the sake of conversation, does this fish have a 'good' body?
                        I think it might be a bit too bloated to be a great body. The bone structure can no doubt carry the bulk but if you look at the koi swimming away it looks a few degrees or percent beyond a good body line? JR
                        I tend to agree, but with a proviso. I'm noticing the 'pimples' in the caudal fin and the general lethargy of movement, which I do not think is just because she is big and in a narrow tank. I think she is an old gal who is having some difficulty dealing with cool temperatures and change in the environment after being moved from the mud. In bigger, warmer water, she might exhibit stronger swimming movements. If so, the extra bulk would be minor and the overall massive strength would create the primary impression. As is, she seems weak, although huge. ...No hanging belly or 'sloppy fat', so reason to be optimistic?

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                        • #13

                          No doubt, it is an older fish ( the head really gives that away- both shape and texture). The line isn't bad just bloated. You can see the excess in the chest area as the fish swims away. The belly is holding well ( the Japanese are experts at keeping a fish from excess eggs) and the back bone is straight.
                          The best part of this fish is the tail tube and the worst part is the chest. JR

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                          • #14

                            hi all,

                            The fish is only about 6 years old, and winner of kawarimono class in last years AJKS... she's in a heated 100ton pond, but the movie was made shortly after her transfer to belgium(and you all know shipping takes a lot from a koi, especially a 110cm koi=> you can see shipping wound on her side as well) I must also stress that filming position wasn't great either... (since her body is practically perfect for a fish that size, but in the movie her body doesnt look so streamlined and healthy as it normally does)

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                            • #15

                              Originally posted by Rexus View Post
                              hi all,

                              The fish is only about 6 years old, and winner of kawarimono class in last years AJKS... she's in a heated 100ton pond, but the movie was made shortly after her transfer to belgium(and you all know shipping takes a lot from a koi, especially a 110cm koi=> you can see shipping wound on her side as well) I must also stress that filming position wasn't great either... (since her body is practically perfect for a fish that size, but in the movie her body doesnt look so streamlined and healthy as it normally does)

                              This jumbo Chagoi looks like is from Marusei Koi farm. It reminds me of the one that I bought from them about 15 years ago. She was over 90 cm.

                              Fun to have jumbo koi!

                              Derrick

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