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    As a student of History I try very hard to understand other political systems and how the belief system works in real life and history.

    the communist for instance sees a world of one in which all citizens conform to aid the community and communial goals. yet in real life, state communism ALWAYS results in purges, mass deaths, poverty and dictatorship or a ruling class of authoritarian figures.

    The socialist model is simply about redistribution of wealth and a system that flies out of control as the 'rich' eventually can't support all the rest and ' all the rest' build both resentment and entitled attitudes as these freebies run out. And like any resource, they always do eventually run out.

    But the Progressive, a distinct American version of socialist, actually amuses and confuses me?
    We are told that " the rich" need to pay " their fair share". But they already pay most of the taxes and more and more of the lower class and the lower middle class now, pay no income tax at all?
    And the definition of 'rich' has sunk down to those making $200K a year. Now they are comfortable upper middle class individuals no doubt, but not rich. And they are the folks that spend it all! Kids, college, car payments, home repair etc is the stuff of a growing economy.
    So the silliest thing about progressive central planning is that if you make $199,000 you are the salt of the earth and just getting by according the democratic cartoon, but if you make $200,000, a thousand dollars more-- you are the selfish rich????
    Likewise I've been listening to the Progressive democratic talking points for a while now. It seems that if you don't support the idea that someone should be able to collect unemployment 2 years ( its always presented as 99 weeks as it 'sounds' better) you are cruel and making people suffer. But 'if' you agree that 99 weeks is fair and reasonable then you are a compassionate person? What if you think 150 weeks is more compassionate? or that 98 weeks is enough, are you then evil?
    The point is these number games are a trap to make you feel good or bad about yourself and your opinions. meanwhile, we are all going broke with our high minded self image issues.
    I do believe in safety nets. I do. But how about if you collect a pay check from the government in the form of an unemployment check you do some work for it? Parks to be cleaned, inner city kids to be tutored, public buildings to be painted.
    the truth is folks, a large chunk of the unemployeed are structurally unemployeed. They used to swing a hammer or saw wood and now are just not needed. The painting trade and the landscape trade is now owned by the illegal. And Walmart and mcDonalds can only hire so many people.
    If the government must interfer then let us all get something for our taxes. And if the individual wants to make more for their 30 hours work then let them transfer from the government unemployment work to the private sector's mirrored image of that job.
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    "Unemployment" only gets paid to those that work at SOMETHING (like picking up trash on the freeway or weedeating the courthouse lawn) for 20 hours a week and spends another 20 hours in some kind of school learning how to work at a job. Period.

    "Free Government Housing" is a room in an old army barracks, renovated for the purpose of housing able bodied but non-working members of society. They must work for 20 hours a week at keeping the place up and spend another 20 hours a week in school learning how to work at a job.

    "Food Stamps" are given only after working 20 hours a week on some sort of community project and spending another 20 hours a week in school learning how to work a job.

    Yes, we are indeed obligated to take care of those INCAPABLE of doing so themselves.

    But when did "You will eat bread by the sweat of your brow," turn into "You will get a beach house, beer, cigarettes, crack cocaine and hoes by the sweat of somebody else's brow?"

    The fix is easy enough. NO MORE WELFARE STATE. You take welfare, you need a leg up, you fell and need some help, FINE with me, but you will WORK for the help you get just like the rest of us. NO FREE RIDES for the able bodied and healthy. Period.

    You take welfare, you live in government housing, you take food stamps, fine, but to do so YOU GIVE UP YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE. No more perpetuating the welfare state by buying votes with welfare checks.

    You work, you pay taxes, you get to vote. Otherwise you got no say.

    Yeah, I know its demeaning to make people that don't like working to do so. That those of that "enjoy" working should pay the way for those of us that prefer to not work. That its the people's right to vote in welfare giving politicians. HELL NO I DON'T.

    DISMANTLE THE WELFARE STATE, MR. PRESIDENT.
    Brett

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    • #3

      Originally posted by JasPR View Post
      As a student of History I try very hard to understand other political systems and how the belief system works in real life and history.

      the communist for instance sees a world of one in which all citizens conform to aid the community and communial goals. yet in real life, state communism ALWAYS results in purges, mass deaths, poverty and dictatorship or a ruling class of authoritarian figures.

      The socialist model is simply about redistribution of wealth and a system that flies out of control as the 'rich' eventually can't support all the rest and ' all the rest' build both resentment and entitled attitudes as these freebies run out. And like any resource, they alwasy can run out.

      But the Progressive, a distinct American version of socialism actually amuses and confuses me?
      We are told that " the rich" need to pay " their fair share". But they already pay most of the taxes and more and more of the lower class and the lower middle class now, pay no income tax at all?
      And the definition of 'rich' has sunk down to those making $200K a year. Now they are comfortable upper middle clas individuals but not rich. And they are the folks that spend it all! Kids, college, car payments, home repair etc is the stuff of a growing economy.
      So the silliest thing about progressive central planning is that if you make $199,000 you are the salt of the earth and just getting by according the democratic cartoon, but of you make $200,000, a thousand dollars more-- you are the selfish rich????
      Likewise I've been listening to the Progressive democratic talking points for a while now. It seems that if you don't support the idea that someone should be able to collect unemployment 2 years ( its always presented as 99 weeks as it 'sounds' better) you are cruel and making people suffer. But 'if' you agree that 99 weeks is fair and reasonable then you are a compassionate person? What if you think 150 weeks is more compassionate? or that 98 weeks is enough, are you then evil?
      The point is these number games are a trap to make you feel good or bad about yourself and your opinions. meanwhile, we are all going broke with our high minded self image issues.
      I do believe in safety nets. I do. But how about if you collect a pay check from the government in the form of an unemployment check you do some work for it? Parks to be cleaned, inner city kids to be tutored, public buildings to be painted.
      the truth is folks, a large chunk of the unemployeed are structurally unemployeed. They used to swing a hammer or saw wood and now are just not needed. The painting trade and the landscape trade is now owned by the illegal. And Walmart and mcDonalds can only hire so many people.
      If the government must interfer then let us all get something for our taxes. And if the individual wants to make more for their 30 hours work then let them transfer from the government unemployment work to the private sector's mirrored image of that job.
      It's rather simple. To start you cannot comprehend, or do what is best for society and for yourself/family (your wants/needs are secondary) without direction and persuation from above.

      Understand that and then you don't have to understand 4 legs good, 2 legs better. What's good for them is good for you...

      I'm sure our friend Bob has a better explaination though. The guy is a genious.

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      • #4

        The romans gave bread, we give checks. Same affect and consequences. The road to serfdom is a *****. Ok, that may be over the top, but at a certain point gov't revenue will match expenditures and the reality will be faced. I suspect the world will be a happy place shortly there after.

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        • #5

          Originally posted by zek View Post
          It's rather simple. To start you cannot comprehend, or do what is best for society and for yourself/family (your wants/needs are secondary) without direction and persuation from above.

          Understand that and then you don't have to understand 4 legs good, 2 legs better. What's good for them is good for you...

          I'm sure our friend Bob has a better explaination though. The guy is a genious.
          Thanks Zek, I think I get it? The collective is the thing. Society is most important and more important than the person or the individual. Is that about it? But why then do we focus only on one income group? Or one class of people? And why must some people work and others need to be cared for? And why are some members of the collective charged with responsibility and others none? Is it a case of " From each according to his ability, to each according to his need " ? JR

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          • #6

            Originally posted by JasPR View Post
            As a student of History I try very hard to understand other political systems and how the belief system works in real life and history.

            the communist for instance sees a world of one in which all citizens conform to aid the community and communial goals. yet in real life, state communism ALWAYS results in purges, mass deaths, poverty and dictatorship or a ruling class of authoritarian figures.

            The socialist model is simply about redistribution of wealth and a system that flies out of control as the 'rich' eventually can't support all the rest and ' all the rest' build both resentment and entitled attitudes as these freebies run out. And like any resource, they alwasy can run out.

            But the Progressive, a distinct American version of socialism actually amuses and confuses me?
            We are told that " the rich" need to pay " their fair share". But they already pay most of the taxes and more and more of the lower class and the lower middle class now, pay no income tax at all?
            Be honest now JR...I know it is difficult for you to be truthful. The ultra rich have the best accountants!! They are the best at working their taxes to pay the least. I saw lines of people for free tax evaluations at an acorn office...think those people have the same advantages as far as accounting and paying taxes.
            And the definition of 'rich' has sunk down to those making $200K a year. Now they are comfortable upper middle clas individuals but not rich. And they are the folks that spend it all! Kids, college, car payments, home repair etc is the stuff of a growing economy.
            So the silliest thing about progressive central planning is that if you make $199,000 you are the salt of the earth and just getting by according the democratic cartoon, but of you make $200,000, a thousand dollars more-- you are the selfish rich????
            Who is making a cartoon view now?? To make a specific number is just for the sake of classifying and quantifying things. Everything in life, finance and politics does this.
            Likewise I've been listening to the Progressive democratic talking points for a while now. It seems that if you don't support the idea that someone should be able to collect unemployment 2 years ( its always presented as 99 weeks as it 'sounds' better) you are cruel and making people suffer. But 'if' you agree that 99 weeks is fair and reasonable then you are a compassionate person? What if you think 150 weeks is more compassionate? or that 98 weeks is enough, are you then evil? Again...you cannot make policy and laws without quantifying things. Don't pretend you do not realize this...I know you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you do know why this is done.
            The point is these number games are a trap to make you feel good or bad about yourself and your opinions. meanwhile, we are all going broke with our high minded self image issues. No...the point is to make policy and put things in writing. Cannot be done without numbers!!!
            I do believe in safety nets. I do. But how about if you collect a pay check from the government in the form of an unemployment check you do some work for it? Parks to be cleaned, inner city kids to be tutored, public buildings to be painted.
            You know what...you are simply ignorant. This is because you work with the wealthy and cannot comprehend anything beyond the situations you see regularly. I have had several friends lose jobs. People who want to work...and have worked hard for years. You know what they all say....looking for a new job, IS a full time job!!! They describe what they go through to do an honest job search...and it literally takes up the day. Your statements just show a ridiculous mentality...really scary!!
            the truth is folks, a large chunk of the unemployeed are structurally unemployeed. They used to swing a hammer or saw wood and now are just not needed. The painting trade and the landscape trade is now owned by the illegal. More bullsh!t as usual. I have a landscaper at my house...born here, young and hard working. I have had plenty of work on my homes and office...all Americans doing the work. Stop making Sh!t up dude...it is really sad!! And Walmart and mcDonalds can only hire so many people.
            If the government must interfer then let us all get something for our taxes. And if the individual wants to make more for their 30 hours work then let them transfer from the government unemployment work to the private sector's mirrored image of that job.
            Zek....and I have a degree in Applied physics with a minor in chemistry and math to prove it!!! You could add the Dr. before my name as well...so, choke on it!!!

            We could discuss the conservative mind...but, it is too hateful and self centered for me to really waste my time. I mean, it was the last 2 republicans who started useless wars. It was the last idiot republican who cut medicaid services. I worked in a clinic just yesterday. Had a diabetic with and ulcer on his foot...4in by 2in...a huge risk for a leg amputation. Rather than pay me the lousy $10 a week I was getting to help the guy, he has to go to a clinic that can only see him once a month..by, a different doctor each time. The amputation, if it happens, will cost over $100,000...and cost this man his life within 5 yrs. So...this is what bush left us as his legacy to health care.
            I left these discussions because your political opinions sicken me. Truly sicken me. I like to think it is not your fault...that it is ignorance, not cruelty. You work with the rich...and truly do not understand poverty. Volunteering occasionaly will not change those opinions, but they do make you feel better. But, these types of opinions and people want a society that I would be embarrased to live in. My mother(an ex-republican) always told me...You judge your society by how they care for their sick, elderly and poor. We are sorely lacking....and if republicans had their way, it would be much, much worse!!

            I am out of here again...not worth my time. I am sure zek with have something brilliant to say...since he is truly the brightest of bulbs.
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            • #7

              Sooooo Bobblehead since you are out of your silence..........

              How many peoiple do you employ that you pay to sit at their desk and do nothing?

              How about hiring as many people as you can sit in your office and do nothing?

              To all the lefties that own a business............ How many people do you employ to sit at a desk and do nothing? Someone that contributes nothing to your profits????????

              Well that's our government that you stand behind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              Not one business owner in their right mind would pay a individual to sit at a desk and contribute nothing, yet the lefties think it's a'ok to pay people to sit on their ass and do nothing.....................

              And in the mean time the lefties think it's grand to help out the less fortunate, yet no one in their right mind would pay a employee to sit at a desk and do nothing
              “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed” Adolf Hitler


              Chris~

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              • #8

                Are you talking about people who are unemployed...or on disability? My sister just lost her job...she is an Optician. She has a crazy work ethic..much more than mine. Blizzards, flu, fever chills...she goes to work. She had a great job, place went out of business. Got hired at another place...business got slow, last hired was first fired. Now...she will look for another job, of course. But, I sure as heck do not expect her to pick up garbage in a park while she is looking and on unemployment!! What people say here is just nutty...and shows a high level of arrogance!! I simply find these comments to be ridiculous and stupid!!
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                • #9

                  Doesn't matter! Answer the questions............. Anyone that can breathe can perform tasks to benefit human kind.

                  How many people do you employ to sit at your desks and do nothing??????????????? None!!!!!!!!!!

                  So your saying your sister is above picking up garbage to make ends meat? I would if I had too........... But I guess that shows what I am made of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it mean't putting food on my table to provide for my family.

                  Ohhh well, just another leach.................
                  “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed” Adolf Hitler


                  Chris~

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                  • #10

                    Bob,

                    Since your leftist mind is so generous, why don't you give your sister a job at your desk doing nothing and pay her the 80K a year she deserves!!!!!!!!!! Instead of *itching about her unfortunates on a koi forum! Ohhh, wait that would cut into your bottom line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    You want to do that for all the other unfortunate people of America, yet not for your sister.............. PALEEEEZE. Tell us again how you donate your time. Yet your not helping your sister???????????????????

                    What you say is NUTTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    Leftist are all about helping others, yet first hand we have one that is complaining on how his sister can't get a job............. Help her out Bob, cut your salery to give her some hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You want that for all the rest of America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed” Adolf Hitler


                    Chris~

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                    • #11

                      Dude...it seems we have a different value of our time and worth. If I lost my job..I promise you would not see me picking up garbage. Completely beneath me and my level of education....sorry if you cannot understand that. If that is what you think of your worth, feel free to come and get my garbage.
                      I have done manual labor jobs...just for the record. Worked on a milk delivery truck, bringing milk to schools at around 4am. Heavy lifting and brutal hours. Also, was a waiter for a few years. Went to school...studied hard, so I would NOT EVER have to do that crap for a living. I use my brain for a living now...and have no intention of doing anything else.
                      My sister is also well educated...and her husband is an eye doctor. She will be just fine. But, looking for a job is not easy....hard to find them and hard to get them. My sister paid plenty of taxes for plenty of years. If she needs unemployment for a while...good for her. She will find another job, and pay back into the system again. That is the way unemployment works. Hope I never need it...but, glad it is there.
                      oh..you are right, it does show exactly what you are made of and that is not a compliment. Some of us think we are too good to live in the projects or pick up garbage, and get an education to avoid it. Look who is getting a little nutty!!! Dude...you talk about what you would do for your family...and raise your kid in a terribly unsafe neighborhood. I can promise you I would work 24hours a day, 7 days a week so my child would never have to live anywhere that is not safe. You can talk all the garbage you like...but, you raise your family in a crap area and claim to be retired??? THAT is nutty!!!
                      Please explain your analogy of getting paid for doing nothing at a desk in my office??
                      As usual...you make no sense and make ridiculous statements.
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                      • #12

                        Originally Posted by JasPR
                        As a student of History I try very hard to understand other political systems and how the belief system works in real life and history.

                        the communist for instance sees a world of one in which all citizens conform to aid the community and communial goals. yet in real life, state communism ALWAYS results in purges, mass deaths, poverty and dictatorship or a ruling class of authoritarian figures.

                        The socialist model is simply about redistribution of wealth and a system that flies out of control as the 'rich' eventually can't support all the rest and ' all the rest' build both resentment and entitled attitudes as these freebies run out. And like any resource, they alwasy can run out.

                        But the Progressive, a distinct American version of socialism actually amuses and confuses me?
                        We are told that " the rich" need to pay " their fair share". But they already pay most of the taxes and more and more of the lower class and the lower middle class now, pay no income tax at all?
                        Be honest now JR...I know it is difficult for you to be truthful. The ultra rich have the best accountants!! They are the best at working their taxes to pay the least. I saw lines of people for free tax evaluations at an acorn office...think those people have the same advantages as far as accounting and paying taxes.



                        Difficult to be honest? So that’s how it's going to be? OK--- and I'm glad you could join us and get away from 'splitting atoms' to speak to us mere mortals !
                        The "ultra Rich" (whatever the definition of that is) have great accountants. But unfortunately the tax code is fixed. And there is very little one can get away with if one has w2 income or a subchapter S. Even pension contributions are limited. And so is interest on a mortgage, as are most write offs. That has been the M.O. of the tax man and greedy politicians. Increase the brackets and remove the write offs. The days of the limited partnership where doctors invested Broadway plays and wrote off three times their investment against their doctoring income are over ( it was Reagan who eliminated them by the way).
                        And my dear mo-mo, I'm one of those guys who volunteers my time to advise the indebt poor on basic financial lessons, so please spare me your sanctimonious " I care more than anyone" silliness.
                        So you keep trying to impress upon me how brilliant you are yet I see constant evidence of a lack of understanding of the world around you-- now to include a child-like understanding of the tax laws..

                        And the definition of 'rich' has sunk down to those making $200K a year. Now they are comfortable upper middle clas individuals but not rich. And they are the folks that spend it all! Kids, college, car payments, home repair etc is the stuff of a growing economy.
                        So the silliest thing about progressive central planning is that if you make $199,000 you are the salt of the earth and just getting by according the democratic cartoon, but of you make $200,000, a thousand dollars more-- you are the selfish rich????
                        Who is making a cartoon view now?? To make a specific number is just for the sake of classifying and quantifying things. Everything in life, finance and politics does this.

                        Everyone does it? Address issues based on a bracket number? Is that how you practice medicine-- based on a signal digit? No, you don't. You look at ranges of numbers.
                        The LINE between rich and greedy and poor and salt of the earth is $200 K. This is the stuff of true bureaucrats. As one honest lib said on the tube the other night ( something I think I wrote here on these very pages justr a week or so ago) and I paraphrase-- " The truth is it costs a certain amount to do the things Government must do and we need the revenue. using a number like $200,000 is a way to gain the funds needed from the largest number of people".




                        Likewise I've been listening to the Progressive democratic talking points for a while now. It seems that if you don't support the idea that someone should be able to collect unemployment 2 years ( its always presented as 99 weeks as it 'sounds' better) you are cruel and making people suffer. But 'if' you agree that 99 weeks is fair and reasonable then you are a compassionate person? What if you think 150 weeks is more compassionate? or that 98 weeks is enough, are you then evil? Again...you cannot make policy and laws without quantifying things. Don't pretend you do not realize this...I know you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you do know why this is done.

                        yes, I know, I'm an idiot and you're a genius, I get it.

                        But my tiny little brain knows when I'm being pee-ed on and told it's raining! ANYONE can find a job in less than 99 weeks. Its an invitation to give up ambition for a tiny check.



                        The point is these number games are a trap to make you feel good or bad about yourself and your opinions. meanwhile, we are all going broke with our high minded self image issues. No...the point is to make policy and put things in writing. Cannot be done without numbers!!!

                        Yes, cooked numbers.

                        I do believe in safety nets. I do. But how about if you collect a pay check from the government in the form of an unemployment check you do some work for it? Parks to be cleaned, inner city kids to be tutored, public buildings to be painted.
                        You know what...you are simply ignorant. This is because you work with the wealthy and cannot comprehend anything beyond the situations you see regularly. I have had several friends lose jobs. People who want to work...and have worked hard for years. You know what they all say....looking for a new job, IS a full time job!!! They describe what they go through to do an honest job search...and it literally takes up the day. Your statements just show a ridiculous mentality...really scary!!

                        Yes, I'm ignorant and I appreciate you spending the time with me.
                        I work with trusts and charities in the fixed income area. That is my designation and my calling. I still keep a small retail practice but it is less than 25% of my business. I have seen many 'rich' go under in this recession. The reason is they thought they were rich because they could buy expensive things due to a big cashflow. Rich means wealth and wealth means a store of assets and cash- not big cash flow and a leveraged existance.
                        So being ignorant as I am, I tend to advise on the conservative side. And so that the results of my effort allow charities and foundations to actually do what you just talk about.
                        ANYONE can find a job-- just not the job they dream about. I have a wealthy client who has a son-in-law that hasn't worked in four years-- he's waiting for the ideal position. Meanwhile his wife suffers with leucemia and he takes checks from the father-in-law. I don't consider him a man or even much of a human.



                        the truth is folks, a large chunk of the unemployeed are structurally unemployeed. They used to swing a hammer or saw wood and now are just not needed. The painting trade and the landscape trade is now owned by the illegal. More bullsh!t as usual. I have a landscaper at my house...born here, young and hard working. I have had plenty of work on my homes and office...all Americans doing the work. Stop making Sh!t up dude...it is really sad!!

                        the Mexican illegal has not taken over the landscaping industry? What are those 12 million illegals doing? Removing bunyons? I don't think so. They are day laborers- painters and landscapers, and now some of the ambitious ones run their own underground businesses.
                        If you tavel around you will find houses filled with these Bunyon doctors sometimes 20 to a house working all day on feet and sending the money home. LOLS




                        And Walmart and mcDonalds can only hire so many people.
                        If the government must interfer then let us all get something for our taxes. And if the individual wants to make more for their 30 hours work then let them transfer from the government unemployment work to the private sector's mirrored image of that job.

                        Zek....and I have a degree in Applied physics with a minor in chemistry and math to prove it!!! You could add the Dr. before my name as well...so, choke on it!!!

                        We could discuss the conservative mind...but, it is too hateful and self centered for me to really waste my time. I mean, it was the last 2 republicans who started useless wars. It was the last idiot republican who cut medicaid services. I worked in a clinic just yesterday. Had a diabetic with and ulcer on his foot...4in by 2in...a huge risk for a leg amputation. Rather than pay me the lousy $10 a week I was getting to help the guy, he has to go to a clinic that can only see him once a month..by, a different doctor each time. The amputation, if it happens, will cost over $100,000...and cost this man his life within 5 yrs. So...this is what bush left us as his legacy to health care.
                        I left these discussions because your political opinions sicken me. Truly sicken me. I like to think it is not your fault...that it is ignorance, not cruelty. You work with the rich...and truly do not understand poverty. Volunteering occasionaly will not change those opinions, but they do make you feel better. But, these types of opinions and people want a society that I would be embarrased to live in. My mother(an ex-republican) always told me...You judge your society by how they care for their sick, elderly and poor. We are sorely lacking....and if republicans had their way, it would be much, much worse!!

                        I am out of here again...not worth my time. I am sure zek with have something brilliant to say...since he is truly the brightest of bulbs.

                        Out of here? You already live in an imaginary world that's about as far away from this reality as one can get??
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                        • #13

                          Originally posted by Brutuscz View Post
                          . I worked in a clinic just yesterday. Had a diabetic with and ulcer on his foot...4in by 2in...a huge risk for a leg amputation. Rather than pay me the lousy $10 a week I was getting to help the guy, he has to go to a clinic that can only see him once a month..by, a different doctor each time. The amputation, if it happens, will cost over $100,000...and cost this man his life within 5 yrs. So...this is what bush left us as his legacy to health care.
                          A hundred grand??????.......What a ripoff Obama says doctors cut off feet to make $30,000 a foot, President Obama said "If that same diabetic ends up getting their foot amputated, that's $30,000, $40-$50,000, immediately the surgeon is reimbursed। .....Obama said you guys cut off healthy feet for profit.

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                          • #14

                            Originally posted by Brutuscz View Post
                            Are you talking about people who are unemployed...or on disability? My sister just lost her job...she is an Optician. She has a crazy work ethic..much more than mine. Blizzards, flu, fever chills...she goes to work. She had a great job, place went out of business. Got hired at another place...business got slow, last hired was first fired. Now...she will look for another job, of course. But, I sure as heck do not expect her to pick up garbage in a park while she is looking and on unemployment!! What people say here is just nutty...and shows a high level of arrogance!! I simply find these comments to be ridiculous and stupid!!
                            Arrogance!!! Sheesh, too damn good to work. THAT pard, is ARROGANCE. Work is not beneath anybody but the liberal elite.

                            Yes, I got an education, and continue to educate myself with both formal and informal classes, reading, seminars, etc. IN the last year I finished both "Citizen's Police Academy" as well as "CERT" (Citizen's Emergency Response Team) training. Been to two fishery seminars and trade shows, and read trade magazines as well as scientific journals. But I have also cleaned the toilets at my place of work every time they need it. I have mopped the shop ten thousand times. And yes, hauled the trash, even when I was the "Senior Biologist" on the crew.

                            I am proud, no doubt. I worked hard to get my degree and keep abreast of the times. But I am not too good to clean the toilet, haul the trash, prepare lunch, or give a coworker a ride when they need it.

                            Only an elitist left wing lazy slob is too good to work. No wonder we got problems. Work is demeaning so somebody else needs to do it and give the earnings to those that would not be demeaned by physical labor.

                            Well bud, I don;t care how many degrees you got, you take welfare, unemployment, food stamps or anty other of the "entitlements" you should damn well give something back in exchange, even if it is beneath you to do so.

                            Too damn good to work. Sheesh. Thought I'd heard it all, then I see another reason why liberalism is a mental disorder and should require some sort of treatment.
                            Brett

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                            • #15

                              Originally posted by Fishbreeder View Post
                              Arrogance!!! Sheesh, too damn good to work. THAT pard, is ARROGANCE. Work is not beneath anybody but the liberal elite.

                              Call it what you like...but, not every job is for every person. I repect people who work hard...absolutely. I have done plenty of manual labor jobs while getting my education. Now, that I have that level of education...yes, I consider those jobs beneath me.

                              Yes, I got an education, and continue to educate myself with both formal and informal classes, reading, seminars, etc. IN the last year I finished both "Citizen's Police Academy" as well as "CERT" (Citizen's Emergency Response Team) training. Been to two fishery seminars and trade shows, and read trade magazines as well as scientific journals. But I have also cleaned the toilets at my place of work every time they need it. I have mopped the shop ten thousand times. And yes, hauled the trash, even when I was the "Senior Biologist" on the crew. Dude..I have cleaned my own office a million times and haul my own trash weekly. That is not the discussion. Being a garbage man is honorable work for somebody..absolutely. But, not for somebody with a college education. If you graduated college and are carrying garbage for a living...you made a few mistakes with your life.

                              I am proud, no doubt. I worked hard to get my degree and keep abreast of the times. But I am not too good to clean the toilet, haul the trash, prepare lunch, or give a coworker a ride when they need it. I do the same exact things brett. But..I would not take a job serving food again or delivering milk on a truck, as I have in the past.

                              Only an elitist left wing lazy slob is too good to work. No wonder we got problems. Work is demeaning so somebody else needs to do it and give the earnings to those that would not be demeaned by physical labor.
                              Out of context again buddy!!! I work my cajones off. I have always been a hard worker at everything. But...some jobs are meant for me, and some are not. I promise you will not see me cleaning dishes in the back of a restaraunt!!

                              Well bud, I don;t care how many degrees you got, you take welfare, unemployment, food stamps or anty other of the "entitlements" you should damn well give something back in exchange, even if it is beneath you to do so.
                              If I ever needed to take those things...I would not feel one bit of guilt. Why? Because I have paid my taxes for many years. When you pay into it for years....you should not feel bad when you need the help. I would certainly rather my taxes go to help someone out of work, than run a wasteful war in iraq!!!

                              Too damn good to work. Sheesh. Thought I'd heard it all, then I see another reason why liberalism is a mental disorder and should require some sort of treatment.
                              Not too damn good to work.....too damn good to work at specific jobs. If you think a guy with your education should be working on a garbage truck..have fun doing it. If I lost my job..I would hold out until I found something suitable for my education without one drop of guilt.
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