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  • #16

    Originally posted by Peppy View Post
    So the babies are doing well!!! Congratulations!!

    Gee, I don't know how to make green water on purpose--not in a healthy way. Unless you set water in the sun to get green, then aerate it, then add it to the pool. That's all my widdle bwain can come up wiff at the moment...

    JR had a good suggestion as to how to procure some green water for the babies, so I'm going to try that. Thanks for your input., Les
    Koiboy98

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    • #17

      JR had a good suggestion as to how to procure some green water for the babies, so I'm going to try that. Thanks for your input., Les
      Can you post the suggestion here for me (in case I decide to let the koi spawn another year) and others?
      ...enjoy your day!
      5500 gllns, Ultima II 4000, Tarpon 6000, 1 Multi-Cyclone Prefilter, 2 - 5500 gph pumps, 1 Retro BD, 1 skimmer, max depth 4', 5% trickle 24/7 weather permitting

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      • #18

        JR's post.... very informative

        Originally posted by Peppy View Post
        Can you post the suggestion here for me (in case I decide to let the koi spawn another year) and others?
        You're welcome! That's BABY brine shrimp right? You can use frozen but I find with the spawn I raised and with my tropicals, that until the yolk is absorbed the fry will not eat ( they actually don't have developed mouths yet!). When they do, they are stimulated by light and sight-- so 'movement' is very helpful as is LIVE protein. Frozen is close but nothing is as good as 'on the hoof' moving fresh protein food.
        Even live baby brine is going to be a wee bit too big at first. You can set up a rubbermaid and get that water green with a bit of evaporated milk added in the presents of lots of sunshine. See if you can find a pond and add a few gallons of water from it to the rubbermaid. That is your inoculation of microbes and the milk will fuel it as will a few grass clippings ( NON- chemically treated grass). You then need what is called a brine shrimp net ( available at most fish stores, it's very fine and can trap tiny creatures). When you see a red cloud in the water dip in the net and you will have live food . Rinse and add to the fry tank twice a day morning and evening. In Between, try the baby brine.
        Good luck... JR

        PS this rubbermaid will also be an incubator for mosquitoes! So cover it will screen or take out / net the larval 'wrigglers' and feed them to tropicals if you have them ( smaller goldfish will also eat them happily). I have the biggest fattest cardinal tetras in town. Secret? Mosquito larva.
        You'll get all kinds of larval stage insects during this process and the will all make great food for the fry as they get larger.
        Koiboy98

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        • #19

          Oh thanks! I actually found it after I posted my request. I didn't know he posted in another thread.
          ...enjoy your day!
          5500 gllns, Ultima II 4000, Tarpon 6000, 1 Multi-Cyclone Prefilter, 2 - 5500 gph pumps, 1 Retro BD, 1 skimmer, max depth 4', 5% trickle 24/7 weather permitting

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          • #20

            Update on my fry~

            Hey its been about 5 weeks since my spawn.... Here are some videos of them~ YouTube - Koi Fry
            YouTube - Koi Fry 2

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            • #21

              Nice video!

              Did anyone tell you about the big, plain ones? I read somewhere about them possibly eating the smaller ones? You might want to research that.

              I got a lot of Shusui looking fry. A 'luck of the draw' from pulling the hyacinths out of the water. The mother is a Shusui but I thought it took two other kinds of koi to make baby Shusui.

              It sure is fun watching them to see what turns out. I couldn't cull any though.
              ...enjoy your day!
              5500 gllns, Ultima II 4000, Tarpon 6000, 1 Multi-Cyclone Prefilter, 2 - 5500 gph pumps, 1 Retro BD, 1 skimmer, max depth 4', 5% trickle 24/7 weather permitting

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              • #22

                I noticed 2 videos. One of the small fry at 4 weeks and one of larger fry at 4 weeks. If they are all of the same age what does the size difference tell you? Do you know what size Koi fry should be at 4 weeks of age?
                Larry Iles
                Oklahoma

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                • #23

                  I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me but, theyre either 4 weeks or 5 weeks I was just estimating... And they are all from the same batch, don't they grow at different rates?

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                  • #24

                    Originally posted by poisonXvenom View Post
                    I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me but, theyre either 4 weeks or 5 weeks I was just estimating... And they are all from the same batch, don't they grow at different rates?
                    Sorry to be so slow to reply. I didn't check this section for a few days as it generally doesn't get a lot of traffic.
                    Fry should be at the "fingernail" stage at 1 week. Fry that are still at that stage at 4-5 weeks will NEVER grow normally. They are runts, in all likelihood suffering from deformities that prevent normal growth, and about the only useful purpose they can serve is "sibling sushi" for their bigger brethren. It might sound cruel, but "here kitty kitty" is what you'll have to do once they're finally big enough for you to see whats physically wrong with them.
                    Pick your poison. Free protein for the fish, or for your cat. Either way, they're toast.
                    Larry Iles
                    Oklahoma

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                    • #25

                      Papabear,
                      What are the sizes the frys should be?
                      1 week: fingernail
                      2 week:
                      3 week
                      4 week
                      And if there is already a fry development post: please give me the url.

                      Should they double every other week or what?
                      And I am also thinking that you are implying on culling the small ones @ 4 weeks old. Is 2 cm @ 4 weeks not good? From what I have been reading, one should cull the bigger ones or seprate them. But that was more for survival for the little ones and that the fast growing ones are either plain magoi or not good looking fish.

                      Thanks
                      Akitsushima Tombo

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                      • #26

                        Originally posted by chang26k View Post
                        Papabear,
                        What are the sizes the frys should be?
                        1 week: fingernail
                        2 week:
                        3 week
                        4 week
                        And if there is already a fry development post: please give me the url.

                        Should they double every other week or what?
                        And I am also thinking that you are implying on culling the small ones @ 4 weeks old. Is 2 cm @ 4 weeks not good? From what I have been reading, one should cull the bigger ones or seprate them. But that was more for survival for the little ones and that the fast growing ones are either plain magoi or not good looking fish.

                        Thanks
                        Separating "tobies" (the super fast growing muji's) is a good idea as they are hyper-cannibalistic. Looking at the 2 video's posted the ones in the larger fish video weren't merely muji, but patterned fish of several color combinations.
                        While we hobbyists tend to think in terms of small numbers in small enclosures where "saving the little ones from the big ones" is a natural mindset, this is not the norm. Breeders get the fry to a mud pond filled with rotifers as quickly as possible where "only the strong survive" and eat or be eaten is the rule of the day.
                        How rapidly they will grow depends on genetics and environment. If either is lacking normal isn't going to happen. At 4-5 weeks old I would expect everything to be over 1" and some pushing 2", even in a hobby tank.
                        Larry Iles
                        Oklahoma

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                        • #27

                          Ahhh. Papabear, those videos are mine not chang's! Anyways it was a sanke crossing with 2 kohaku male and 1 sanke male. I tried to cull out for patterned fish and separate between sizes. I'd love to have a mudpond in my backyard but my mom would kill me

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                          • #28

                            Originally posted by poisonXvenom View Post
                            Ahhh. Papabear, those videos are mine not chang's! Anyways it was a sanke crossing with 2 kohaku male and 1 sanke male. I tried to cull out for patterned fish and separate between sizes. I'd love to have a mudpond in my backyard but my mom would kill me
                            Yup, I know that. Chang asked a question relating to the sizes of Koi being discussed and your video's/pictures were the only ones being discussed.

                            I'd love to have my own mudpond too For that matter, so would my wife Problem is, "good" water wells around here are hard to come by and municipal water rates are over the moon I do have friends with mudponds but they are CONFIRMED females only If you saw what happened the last time a male snuck into one you'd understand why
                            Larry Iles
                            Oklahoma

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                            • #29

                              I just started a new batch of koi fry. Got my first newborn today, the rest should start hatching tonight to 2 more days...
                              Mother and 2 fathers are gold kois.
                              Akitsushima Tombo

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                              • #30

                                Originally posted by chang26k View Post
                                I just started a new batch of koi fry. Got my first newborn today, the rest should start hatching tonight to 2 more days...
                                Mother and 2 fathers are gold kois.
                                Your fish are still spawning?? When did they? I thought they only did so in spring... How did u get them to? or was it an accident.

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