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    translations

    can anyone please tell me the english meanings of these please often when reading mags you see words with no meanings.



    sumi ojime

    kata sumi

    hanzome

    kawagoi

    wakarenai

    teri



    cheers rick j

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    sumi ojime - sumi means black markings dertived from the Japanese word for ink. ojime means a small white area before the tail. Go figure



    kata sumi - katamoyo means one sided red markings. Perhaps this means one sided blacvk markings.



    hanzome - printing technique using a metal stencil. What might that imply?



    kawagoi - kawa means stream or river.



    wakarenai ? "wakaranai" is common negative form of "to understand"



    teri means "luster" as in Teriyaki where yaki means to grill or broil





    This is the result of a short internet search. I certainly don't speak Japanese nor write in kanji. It will be interesting to see how close this is to being accurate when someone who does speak Japanese tells us the definitions. Looks like "muy divertido".

    Jeff R.

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    cheers jeff hopefully brian can sort this for me .



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    Hi Rick,



    Jeff basically had everything except kata sumi and hanzome right.



    kata sumi is sumi that appears on the shoulder. Judges correct me if I'm wrong, but some importance is placed on sanke having this. Kata in this case simply means "shoulder".



    hanzome is another way of saying kamisori-kiwa in which only part of the scale is covered by hi as opposed to maruzome in which the entire scale is covered in terms of the kiwa.



    Make sense? Hope that helps... :wink:
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    thanks brian yes makes sense can you help with the others?.



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    I think Jeff did a pretty good job with all the others. Any of them that you'd like me to comment on?
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    does sumi ojime mean black marking before the tail ?



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    Yep,



    Ojime and Odome are interchangeable. It refers to the pattern stop in the tail tube region. :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
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    Yes please Brian,

    Katamoyo I understood to mean one sided. Jeff's translation is more specific in that he say's one sided hi, is this correct or is it not quite so specific?

    I first heard the word at Dainichi in '93 when a shiro utsuri was being appraised which supports my understanding of the word.

    If it is one sided hi then is there an alternative word for other one sided colours?
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    Hi Andrew,



    Kata can mean both one and shoulder. They're written with different kanji, and are separate words altogether. If you saw them written in Japanese, it's easy to understand that they're different.
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