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    How can this be??????? It just is !!!!!!!!!!!!

    I have about 45 Tosai born 3 December 2003 with 6 large female in my large mud pond. The tosai range in size to the biggest being 15 inches and the other mostly 10 to 12 inches.
    This morning while feeding them I noticed that one of the big females were spawning in the grass on the edges of the pond and being helped by three or four male Tosai.
    They are 11 months old today and my question is will these young fish have sperm?
    I hope not because I am using this as a growing pond and not a fry pond and all this is doing is messing up the water and delivering unwanted fry taking up precious space in the pond.

    Hope they are just practicing and shooting blanks.
    Jaco
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    Jaco Vorster
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    Jaco. I don't know how to put this delicately but if they couldn't play what would they be doing there? Maybe Brett or Brady will answer this, they have more insight into male behavior.

    Can you get some of the eggs and see if they are viable?

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    Practicing!

    SMG, with boys the thought is there long before they can "play"! I remember back,... well, I'm not going to share that.

    Jaco, Koi are ritualistic,... they like to dance, and school, and socialize, so if older Koi are doing something "cool" the younger ones will often join in,... even if they are not mature enough to contribute some genetics,... they will pracitce - BUT, also, maturity in many animals can be more related to size than to age,... a large fish, though it's yong can have the goods. Remember that 7 feet tall 13 year old kid in your 7th grade gym class that was as hairy as Sasquatch, and walked around popping your Arse with a wet towel? So, some of the larger tosai male Koi may have been able to contribute some, but likely not much.

    Best Wishes,
    Brady

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    Thanks SMG and Brady,

    I hope they were only practicing. I read somewhere that in a lightly stocked pond the koi mature earlier than in a crowded pond.
    Well if they did contibute some sperm there will be very few hatchlings that will survive because these fish are digging and searching for food along the sides all day long.
    Time will tell.
    Thanks again you two
    Jaco
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    Jaco,

    If they do have it in them, it's called 'milt', not sperm ;-)
    Andrew

    "Gentlemen prefer ponds"

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    Thanks Andrew,

    I am not English speaking and translated directly.
    Thanks for correcting me.
    Lucky for you my name is not Luke
    Jaco.
    PS. They are busy with another female today, so I do hope their milt are too little to produce a lot of fry.
    Jaco Vorster
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    Jaco,

    You're welcome, and indeed it is lucky for me! ;-)

    Regards,
    Andrew

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    Interesting thread





    Most koi keepers who have mixed sex and aged ponds have seen mature males chasing females with younger males in hot pursuit. Doesn't mean they will contribute any genetics but as mentioned are socially blending into what's going on.

    many two year olds can contribute and by 3 it's a given

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    I have always thought males had to be 2 years and females 3 years to breed is this not so.?

    rick

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    Thanks Guys,

    There are only Tosai males of 11 months old in this pond the larger older koi are all female.
    Even the large females that have spawned already are joining in.
    Every day they choose a new female that have spawned already.
    It seems that only 4 Tosai males are the culprits here.
    Well will know in a few weeks if the eggs hatched.
    Thanks,
    Jaco
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